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How wonderful, covid vacines have been stopped at the racecourse so racing can go ahead. Words fail me. Trust the racecourse will pay for all the extra funerals.

How wonderful, covid vacines have been stopped at the racecourse so racing can go ahead. Words fail me. Trust the racecourse will pay for all the extra funerals.

How wonderful, covid vacines have been stopped at the racecourse so racing can go ahead. Words fail me. Trust the racecourse will pay for all the extra funerals.

It’s ok, NHS knew about the need for the closures when they agreed to use the site. Indeed a planned day or so out actually helps with performance. That the vaccine takes a fair time to produce, quite far sighted of HMG to place massive orders even before the stuff had been tested. All this known and in public domain well before start up. So, quite a remarkable achievement all round.

If you really want a cause to run with, go and give the cretins who claim they can’t wear facemasks - there are NO medical reasons not to and frankly, those who claim a mental health reason probably shouldn’t be out in public anyway.

Hear, hear.

The wearing of a "face muzzle" is an interesting one. Personally I consider them to be at best compliant, at worse detrimental to my health.
BUT, I wear one without question when shopping or places that I am reasonably close to others because that is a government directive. (The legal aspect is a little "off white" shall we say), and it is not for me to question, well certainly not in a public arena,
Like Mr Brown states, those who choose to make some form of protest or refuse to wear one on some spurious mental health grounds should be locked away for their own safety because they are probably not following all the other rules as well.
The fact that the death toll continues unabated points to something being intrinsically wrong,and assuming current directives are not to blame, then it is likely to be down to noncompliance by a lot of people..

I've only seen one person not wear a mask. It's not compliance that's causing it to spread, it's the rules that allow some transmission. It's a difficult balance to strike & I think the government has got many things wrong, but it's a tricky balance to make.

I've only seen one person not wear a mask. It's not compliance that's causing it to spread, it's the rules that allow some transmission. It's a difficult balance to strike & I think the government has got many things wrong, but it's a tricky balance to make.

Very difficult. The Netherlands are experiencing lockdown riots. And the glorious EU have completely messed up procurement of the vaccine and are lashing out like some sort of dictatorship.🤔

And the glorious EU have completely messed up procurement of the vaccine and are lashing out like some sort of dictatorship.🤔

The important difference between AstraZeneca's relationship with the UK and with the EU, and the reason it has fallen behind schedule on 50m vaccine doses promised to the EU, is that the UK agreed the deal with AZ a full three months before the EU did - which gave AZ an extra three months to sort out manufacturing and supply problems relating to the UK contract (there were plenty of problems).
Here is the important timeline.
In May AZ reached agreement with Oxford and the UK government to make and supply the vaccine. In fact Oxford had already started work on the supply chain. The following month AZ reached a preliminary agreement with Germany, the Netherlands, France and Italy, a group known as the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance, based on the agreement with the UK.
The announcement was 13 June. BUT the EU insisted that the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance could not formalise the deal. The European Commission insisted it should take over the contract negotiations on behalf of the whole EU. So were another two months of talks and the contract was not signed till the end of August
What is frustrating for AZ is that the extra talks with the European Commission led to no material changes to the contract, but wasted time on making arrangements to make the vaccine with partner sites. The yield at these partner sites has been lower than expected.
The problem is in the course of being sorted. AZ say it is working 24/7 to make up the time and deliver the quantities the EU wanted. It says its contract with the EU - as with the UK - was always on a "best effort" basis, because it was starting from scratch to deliver unprecedented amounts for no profit. AZ is not blaming the EU. But it does not understand why it is being painted as the "bad guy" given that if the deal had happened in June, when Germany, the Netherlands, France and Italy wanted it done, most of these supply issues would already have been sorted.

A pro-EU source at the company says "I understand Brexit better now"

PS According to AZ, the EU claim that it pays less to AZ per dose, and that is why AZ "works harder for the UK than for the EU", is "completely incorrect". It charges the same price to all buyers, wherever they are in the world, subject to small adjustments due to local costs

.... once again only history will clarify....

History will certainly clarify why there is such a disparity in numbers between close European countries. Each country's equivalent to the Office of National Statistics will at some stage look back at overall death figures. Whereas UK is counting every death within 28 days of a positive test as being Covid - regardless of the fact a person dies in a car accident or of cancer or any other terminal illness there are many countries that have not used this methodology and their figures look astonishing in comparison with ours.

History will certainly clarify why there is such a disparity in numbers between close European countries. Each country's equivalent to the Office of National Statistics will at some stage look back at overall death figures. Whereas UK is counting every death within 28 days of a positive test as being Covid - regardless of the fact a person dies in a car accident or of cancer or any other terminal illness there are many countries that have not used this methodology and their figures look astonishing in comparison with ours.

Politics aside, I must say the vaccination centre (racecourse), is being operated extremely efficiently.
Little or no waiting, the stewards being friendly and helpful to those who fall into the "fragile" group.

Politics aside, I must say the vaccination centre (racecourse), is being operated extremely efficiently.
Little or no waiting, the stewards being friendly and helpful to those who fall into the "fragile" group.

If this is being repeated over the country then (hopefully) the end is in sight.

I don't think anyone could fault the vaccine roll out. There are worries about the second jab and worries about the borders & the SA variant though.

Watch my lips young man.
ALL viruses mutate which is why they are so difficult to control. Covid 19 is extremely infectious and coupled with it's ability to adapt to changing circumstances, could well be around for a number of years.
We will not eradicate it, though it may lie dormant for a number of generations. The Black Death is still with us, though cases are thankfully low, and may well re-emerge when it has a mind to.

With the initial vaccination showing an 80% effectiveness, I for one, are confident that we are in control. One hundred thousand deaths may seem excessive but it is only .15% of the population and is comparable with the SARs outbreak of 2003.

As far as borders go, a virus does not recognise such things, and as transmission is mainly airborne now, it won't make to much difference to the war effort how much control we implement. We need to change the name from pandemic to endemic and remove the fear mongering.
Let's get the country back to work and rely on common sense to protect those who are still vulnerable.

Don't be daft. The NHS would be crippled.

Don't be daft. The NHS would be crippled.

Assuming all of my comment falls into the "daft" category, I thought the NHS was?
That is certainly the pretext on which Boris and the Buffoons have based their whole strategy.

History will certainly clarify why there is such a disparity in numbers between close European countries. Each country's equivalent to the Office of National Statistics will at some stage look back at overall death figures. Whereas UK is counting every death within 28 days of a positive test as being Covid - regardless of the fact a person dies in a car accident or of cancer or any other terminal illness there are many countries that have not used this methodology and their figures look astonishing in comparison with ours.

If soneone dies in a car accident and the cause of death is trauma, then it wil not be included in the covid death numbers. It is only when covid is on the death certificate that a death is recorded as covid. The official figures are likely to be understated to the reality.

The figures being used on the government's daily dashboard of Covid deaths and shown on the daily TV news reports - and recorded on the Worldometer website (which displays Covid data for every country in the world) is not the ONS data and that's my point. It uses the figures of 'deaths within 28 days of a positive test'...
https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/

Apparently the latest wheeze of this increasingly dystopian government's control is a driving curfew for the over 70's between 19.00 and 09.00, because they are more likely to have a health problem, and consequently not be in a "fit" position to drive.
One could naturally assume that this is based on the data collated over the last 12 months.