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Apr 19 2014, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 19 2014, 12:18 PM) when Riuchard Garvie, and 90% of posters to this forum, were calling for a public inquiry into crackgate I said that any inquiry would prove nothing.
I was right. How can you be right about the results of an inquiry that hasn't happened?
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Apr 20 2014, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 19 2014, 04:25 PM) The council have refused to disclose the hydrogeological reports - the council have spent a further £70k-odd on legal fees on the strength of these reports and the public has a right to see the reports and judge for ourselves whether this interminable and costly dispute was prudent - the council need to disclose those reports.
Your constant mealy-mouthed ad hominem makes this forum a dreary place and I really wish you'd give it a rest. Coming from you that is a bit rich.
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Apr 20 2014, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 20 2014, 12:20 AM) How can you be right about the results of an inquiry that hasn't happened? I was right when I said trying to prove dewatering was the cause of the cracks in Victoria Park was an impossible task, and to attempt to do so was a fool's errand.
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Apr 20 2014, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 20 2014, 12:24 PM) I was right when I said trying to prove dewatering was the cause of the cracks in Victoria Park was an impossible task, and to attempt to do so was a fool's errand. It wouldn't have been hard had West Berkshire Council done their job.
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Apr 20 2014, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 20 2014, 12:30 PM) It wouldn't have been hard had West Berkshire Council done their job. in what way?
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Apr 20 2014, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 20 2014, 12:31 PM) in what way? Proper monitoring of the environment. The project required dewatering, it would seem that no provision was put in place to monitor its affect on the environment.
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Apr 20 2014, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 19 2014, 05:27 PM) You think I'm deluded? Fine, talk to some councillors like I have and ask them to tell you honestly whether they have studied the hydrogeological report. Ask them if they have formed their own informed evidence-based opinion on the merits of the council pursuing the claim or whether they haven't really taken much interest in the details and have just let it happen.
And then ask them why, when the evidence is as robust as they say it is, that they won't disclose the hydrogeological reports so that we, the tax-paying public, can form our own opinion on the merits of the council's conduct.
Really, go on. there would be no point. all I'd get would be an answer in the form of obfuscation & waffle.
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Apr 20 2014, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 20 2014, 12:48 PM) there would be no point.
all I'd get would be an answer in the form of obfuscation & waffle. Well that should pose no problem for our resident WBC and Newbury expert,; especially if you get User to assist you?
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Apr 20 2014, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 20 2014, 01:56 PM) I think I'm with Dannyboy on this, there was no need for the study, no need for such scrutiny over something fairly obvious. They would have been better off giving the money to the Bowls Club So why give money to the bowls club? Were the bowls club not insured? Would not the insurance companies then claim any monies paid out back from Costains? What about the buildings affected by the cracking? I thought there was more damage than to the park alone? Just how is the bowls club funded?
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Apr 20 2014, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 20 2014, 01:56 PM) I think I'm with Dannyboy on this, there was no need for the study, no need for such scrutiny over something fairly obvious. They would have been better off giving the money to the Bowls Club It seems to me that an initial £5k hydrogeological study was prudent enough if they were looking at a potential £100k+ of damages, but when the study came back equivocal and when the damage turned out not to be so very great they should have dropped the matter, late 2010. Initial quotes to bring the bowls club up to snuff were in the order of £20k, but that got talked-up and conflated with the cost of taking down some chronically under-managed conifers that shade the bowling greens. The bowling greens and the rest of the alleged damage could have been put right by Spring 2011 for less than the council has spent so far on legal fees, and without Parkgate to distract the council they might not have muffed the Heritage Lottery Bid and we'd have got a park makeover at no cost to the tax-payer. Would'a, could'a, should'a. They'll all get voted in again in 2015. Plus ça change...
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Apr 20 2014, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 20 2014, 12:24 PM) I was right when I said trying to prove dewatering was the cause of the cracks in Victoria Park was an impossible task, and to attempt to do so was a fool's errand. We should have given you the job then!
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Apr 20 2014, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 20 2014, 03:13 PM) So why give money to the bowls club? Were the bowls club not insured? Would not the insurance companies then claim any monies paid out back from Costains? What about the buildings affected by the cracking? I thought there was more damage than to the park alone? Just how is the bowls club funded? Quite so. I suspect that the wittering about the cost of repairing the Bowls club greens is simply larding a the claim. Even with the scant detail provided it's pretty obvious that this claim is pretty dubious to say the least.
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Apr 20 2014, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (MontyPython @ Apr 20 2014, 03:52 PM) We should have given you the job then! My hourly rates are beyond the coffers of NTC.
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Apr 20 2014, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 20 2014, 05:24 PM) Would not the insurance companies then claim any monies paid out back from Costains?
funny that - given that insurance companies / lawyers will chase the most dubious of claims if there is some cash to be made that no claim has been made. Quite so, even the no win no fee boys give NTC a wide berth. As for the rightness or otherwise of commissioning the report in the first place, Andy Capp has really hit the nail in the head; consistently asking why the principle landlord and the authority agreeing to the pumping have remained so silent.
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Apr 20 2014, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 20 2014, 03:13 PM) So why give money to the bowls club? Were the bowls club not insured? Would not the insurance companies then claim any monies paid out back from Costains? What about the buildings affected by the cracking? I thought there was more damage than to the park alone? Just how is the bowls club funded? I was making the point that if they are just throwing good money after bad, they could have done something with it that would have made a difference. They have essentially thrown it down the drain.
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Apr 20 2014, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 20 2014, 06:54 PM) asking why the principle landlord and the authority agreeing to the pumping have remained so silent
cos there is nothing to say. but you can't come out & say that, just in case. That's a real Sir Humphrey answer! Well done, WBC's PR people couldn't have done better.
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Apr 20 2014, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 20 2014, 06:54 PM) asking why the principle landlord and the authority agreeing to the pumping have remained so silent
cos there is nothing to say. but you can't come out & say that, just in case. Just in case they (evidently) didn't do their job right. There's no doubt in my mind that this is a West Berkshire Council F-up; NTC are just the Patsies.
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