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Posted by: gel Mar 23 2017, 03:14 PM

How very politically correct, but inept for TV Police to issue statement today that they are
"..be engaging with key community representatives to allay concerns and fears ..with a particular focus on supporting our Muslim communities".


Seems to me they should focus on protecting/ guarding non Muslim communities, as they are the ones at risk from these terrorists.

By all means, closely monitor communities known as breeding grounds for such atrocities,
but don't treat them as the victims all the time. High Wycombe area comes to mind, amongst others.

We saw some very Christian acts on Westminster Bridge yesterday with both the terrorist & his non believer victims receiving the same care. We all know what a Christian act means, but the Muslim equivalent only has negative connotations for me.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 23 2017, 05:42 PM

Careful. Plod will be knocking on your door after you are reported for hateful comments.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2017, 06:07 PM

Yeah, racist, lefty liberals will flay you alive for that!

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 23 2017, 08:25 PM

Every one is a risk from terrorism, whether religious or not, but the risk is minuscule compared to others we face day to day. 🙄 When something like this happens, there is always a backlash and victims of those offences deserve support as much as anyone else.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Mar 23 2017, 08:27 PM

Worth bearing in mind how Christ taught the parable of a Samaritan helping an injured Jew at a time when relations between those two Abrahamic traditions were just as poisonous as the present relations between Christians and Muslims, and the point He was making was that it is our common humanity that unites us.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Mar 23 2017, 08:28 PM

Very true.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 23 2017, 08:35 PM

What is also regrettable is all the people explaining we mustn't let them win and how it is business as usual and asking how we can beat terror ... broadcast 24/7.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2017, 09:25 PM

Yeah, and he ended up nailed to a piece of wood, thought you didnt believe in the sky pixie?? Hunt em down, string em up, thats the answer.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 23 2017, 10:11 PM

Answer to your sadism maybe!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 23 2017, 10:26 PM

Perhaps the security forces may have more teeth when we are our of the EU. Lets hope so. They know who the majority of people are that are likely to commit these incidents. Would I be bothered about there "human rights" if they rounded them up? Personally. No. That will upset a lot of shouty liberals. But I reckon the majority of the population would breathe a sigh of relief.

Posted by: Andy1 Mar 23 2017, 10:37 PM

The guy drove a car on the pavement with the intention to kill. I doubt he was concerned what religion his victims were. Religion, I say it's years on years of bad foreign policy that bred this hatred at home and abroad.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 23 2017, 11:05 PM

I believe it is about what is practical, and this isn't a practical idea.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 05:48 AM

Its not practical to sit around like sheep waiting for these beasts in human form to come and cut our throats either.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 09:18 AM

People aren't sitting around waiting, that's why far more people in the U.K. are killed by diesel engine pollution than a terrorist attack.

Thankfully many people recognise this and act accordingly, rather than respond to right-wing hysteria.

Posted by: spartacus Mar 24 2017, 11:08 AM

His assumed intention was to spread fear and terror in the name of his own particular warped brand of religion... (said quietly... we don't want to make assumptions here about this being to do with the Religion of Peace)

If he wiped out fellow Muslims while committing his act they would understand... 'InShaAllah' n all that...

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 11:41 AM

More people are killed by eating red meat than by terrorist attacks, and it's not right wing hysteria that gets us killed it's liberal complacency that does that. And if you're really all that worried about diesel? Don't use the bus, or a train, or get groceries delivered by truck, or use a taxi, or buy anything imported on a ship. Don't support windfarms that use banks of diesel powered generators as back up for when the wind doesn't blow or indeed any of the thousands of uses of diesel fuel, like home heating, and get rid of solid fuel kitchen ranges that liber's adore cos they're pollution machines as well.

The problem with you is you pick up on one single headline but are too lazy to look at the broader picture, like most liberals it too easy to hide behind a soundbite.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 11:43 AM

If you have a wasp nest in the shed and some of them sting you? Do you really try and identify the ones that will sting you next? Really?

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 24 2017, 11:46 AM

What a strange and bizarre point of view, "more people are killed by diesel fumes that by terrorist attack"

There are many, many things that kill more people than a terrorist attack.
The clue is in the word............"terror" that sets it apart!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 12:24 PM

Not strange at all, not if you're one of the hemp Jeans wearing brigade!

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 01:24 PM

The problem here is terrified right-wingers who over react and decide things without thinking through their position.

Posted by: Andy1 Mar 24 2017, 01:27 PM

So the intention of the IRA was to spread fear and terror in the name of Catholicism?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 01:34 PM

Female "stinging" wasps are capable and will sting and a swarm of those wasps are collectively a real danger, but there is more than one way of making sure they don't harm you and there is more than one way of making sure a wasp nest does not develop in the wrong place in the first place. Meanwhile, wasps are a benefit to mankind, and wiping them all out could cause more harm than good. Developing a system where we can co-exist seems like the most sensible strategy to me.

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/bugs/wasp/

"Despite the fear they sometimes evoke, wasps are extremely beneficial to humans. Nearly every pest insect on Earth is preyed upon by a wasp species, either for food or as a host for its parasitic larvae. Wasps are so adept at controlling pest populations that the agriculture industry now regularly deploys them to protect crops."

Do you know more people die in a terrorist event that being stung by a wasp in the UK. Genocide seems like a bit of an overreaction to me.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 01:35 PM

Exactly the point I'm making: hysterical right wingers lacking rational thinking and lacking a sense of proportion.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 01:47 PM

As opposed to complacent left wingers, tell you what, why don't we, next time we spot a terrorist, call you up and YOU can go round, sing a verse or two of Kumbaya sit down and offer him a cupcake, give him some flowers and he'll soon see sense. The nation will be grateful, you'll have a lovely funeral. Or the bits that they find will do. Make yer family proud, make a difference. Go on, try it. Maybe then we won't need to see another police hero being laid to rest.

Posted by: Berkshirelad Mar 24 2017, 02:41 PM

Who uses diesel for home heating?

Central Heating Oil is paraffin not diesel

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 02:51 PM

The next time you spot a terrorist? My best advice is you call the police.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 03:14 PM

It's a light oil, same as diesel.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 03:15 PM

So they can die in your place? That's the best you've got?

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 24 2017, 04:28 PM

Correct.
Road diesel is 32sec kerosene.
Central heating oil is 28 sec kerosene so a bit lighter.
You can actually run diesel engines on central heating oil but obviously illegally to use on the road.
Being lighter it may not be good for the injector pump etc.
Not sure what the NOX emissions are of oil central heating

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 24 2017, 04:31 PM

Hmmm............tell that to the police and innocent public that were in Westminster on Wednesday.
Hang on with that car could you I'm just need to call the police!!
Terrorists are easy to spot I assume?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 04:51 PM

I wouldn't advise using heating oil in a car it lacks the lubrication needed, would bork the high pressure lift pump and would send the injectors to the great scrappy in the sky. Maybe a good dose of sulphur would help. I have burned diesel in a paraffin heater before but it did stink the workshop out.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 04:54 PM

Just a second what are you on about? My feelings are that we have volunteers who are trained to deal with these things! I am not trained, so if I become aware of a terrorist, I will do as the advice goes, including that of GWR and alert the authorities.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2017, 04:56 PM

Yup always trust GWR advice.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 04:56 PM

OK what is your advice then? And perhaps you might like to suggest it to you mates in GWR, because that is what they ask me to do!

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2017, 05:02 PM

Was your Mum frightened by a vw when she was carrying you perchance??

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 05:09 PM

Why? Or is this ad hominem because you simply run out of rational arguments?

I'm simply trying to put risk into perspective using a common application.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2017, 05:14 PM

No, not at all, but it does seem to be a recurring theme in most of your esteemed posts and I was curious as to why, no harm meant or intended.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 24 2017, 05:14 PM

I don't think I have any "mates in GWR" who are at the level of those who decide the on board announcements!
I believe these are decided in collaboration with BTP.
The advice is not what to do if you "spot a terrorist". It is how to report any suspicious items or activity.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 24 2017, 05:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7dqRDU3OO4
What do you think of that Andy?
Does she speak for the majority of British people, or a minority?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2017, 06:14 PM

Is it just me or does everyone else find her somehow incredibly annoying and slightly disturbing?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 24 2017, 07:12 PM

I think you might be being a little obtuse, if not pedantic.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 28 2017, 09:22 AM

Incorrect on both counts.
Just, as I usually do on railway matters, trying to state the facts as I know them.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 28 2017, 06:48 PM

Pedantic then.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2017, 08:47 PM

Come on guys! It could be worse.... Lets be positive. Its brexit day tomorrow.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 28 2017, 08:49 PM

Yay !!!

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 29 2017, 03:52 AM

No, pedantic means excessively concerned with minor details.
Pot /kettle???

TDH I wish it was Brexit day.
Looks like another 2 years before we are finally free??
I understand there was a party of silly sods from Newbury who went to the London Anti Brexit March on Saturday, with their ridiculous banners and EU flags!!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 29 2017, 07:25 AM

If they want to waste time and money on a pointless protest I'm happy for them. It won't change anything. 😂

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 29 2017, 08:13 AM

Exactly my point with your comment.

You had no problem understanding JSC's hypothesis, but not mine; however, how I'm meant to know what a terrorist looks like, I am not sure. Could it include someone acting suspiciously, or would GWR prefer it that I keep quiet if I am certain someone is preparing a terrorist act?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 29 2017, 08:16 AM

Isn't that in two years time?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 29 2017, 08:19 AM

And I'm condemned to live out my life living with spiteful people like you.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 29 2017, 08:22 AM

Rather like the assertion we will be "free" come Brexit.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2017, 10:14 AM

So that's your "free to every reader" Guardian diary full for the next two years then?

Monday, Brexit protest.
Tuesday, Brexit protest.
Wednesday, Brexit protest.
And so on, ad infinitum.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 29 2017, 11:33 AM

Yes


No.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 29 2017, 11:36 AM

I see you are resorting to the newres style approach of insulting remarks instead of debate!
(And yes I know I did in my remarks but to a group of campaigning people not a forum member.
I neither know you or you me Andy so I think your condemnation of your life is unjustified.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 29 2017, 12:42 PM

Ms May writes a nice letter though! Wonder if she'll do one to my bank for me?

Posted by: Berkshirelad Mar 29 2017, 02:32 PM

Why?

Did you get a letter from them asking you to revert to the time-honoured system of you banking with them (rather than vice versa)

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 29 2017, 06:33 PM

Probably the Tim Farron special edition version.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 29 2017, 08:08 PM

Lol, you muppet, I voted Brexit.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 29 2017, 08:13 PM

I said people like you. Were you not being spiteful?

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 30 2017, 07:26 AM

Good point, your condemnation is real!


I suppose I was actually but my tether has reached it's end with these people.
We're leaving so let's work together to make the best of it and not organise silly marches against the inevitable.
I wonder if the referendum had gone the other way if leavers would have protested in the same way?
I don't know but tend to think not.
Despite the above I'm not as spiteful as you assume.
Just look around you. There are many others worse than I who you are condemned to spend the rest of your life with!!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2017, 07:31 AM

If you look at the placards these numpties were waving we're all racists as well. What with brexit itself being racist. But they also managed to work Trump and austerity in as well. Local lib dems desperate much?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 30 2017, 08:16 AM

That was the point I make; not that anyone in particular was a cause for concern, only that the EU offers security for many; rich or poor.

And of course leavers would have kicked-up had it gone the other way. I suspect Farage already had his speech written before the result become apparent.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 30 2017, 08:24 AM

I think that is because most people when asked couldn't come up with a tangible or rational argument of why we must get out of the Union. It was almost certainly anti-foreigner sentiment.

Posted by: blackdog Mar 30 2017, 09:24 AM

He did - and the key content has been made public - he was going to point out that the result was too close to be a final decision and campaign for another referendum in a few years time.

The big difference is that a Remain vote would have left Leavers with the hope that they would have another chance in a few years. A Leave vote leaves Remainers with no hope. Without hope resentment builds.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2017, 09:27 AM

Says a leave voter!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2017, 09:28 AM

Suck it up!

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 30 2017, 10:52 AM

That is right. My view is the EU is too corrupt and ineffectual, and needs a shake up which might happen with UK's exit, but I also voted out with the belief the country would vote to stay OR more effective concessions would get renegotiated IF we voted leave.

I didn't vote on immigration grounds as that I believe is a red herring.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 30 2017, 10:59 AM

Like I said: And I'm condemned to live out my life living with spiteful people like you. sad.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2017, 12:12 PM

Bt of course no one else thought that, just you. Every body else is a racist. convenient much.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2017, 12:13 PM

Suck it up!!

Posted by: Simon Kirby Mar 30 2017, 07:00 PM

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 30 2017, 09:48 PM

Quite, you and your VW belching it out!

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 30 2017, 09:50 PM

Well it isn't that convenient; sat amongst a load of knuckle draggers...

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 31 2017, 07:28 AM

I'm sure your followers would benefit from knowing your car manufacturer of choice, do tell, go on, do.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 31 2017, 08:03 AM

Touchy! I don't care for cars much and don't have a preference. I presently don't have a car. I'd rather have motor bike.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 31 2017, 08:53 AM

Not old enough eh?

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 31 2017, 08:55 AM

Nice!
Give me a call when you get one and we'll go for a blast!!
It will shake off all that accumulated Brexit tension.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 31 2017, 08:59 AM

Nor trustworthy!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 31 2017, 09:20 AM

All those speeding tickets eh?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 31 2017, 11:01 AM

Quite! Bl00dy laws!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 31 2017, 11:30 AM

We'll club together for a tee shirt for you, what would you like? Rebel without a clue? Or Beige to the bone?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 31 2017, 03:17 PM

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 31 2017, 07:36 PM

Of course, we all know what a VW and a clitoris have in common?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 31 2017, 07:37 PM

Every qnt's got one!

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 31 2017, 08:56 PM

Q, what's the difference between the lib dems and a hedgehog?

A, with a hedgehog all the pricks are on the outside.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 31 2017, 11:29 PM

A scythingly insightful comment on automotive matters from someone who's​ knowledge apparently doesn't run as far as knowing the pedal under his right foot goes up as well as down.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 1 2017, 04:30 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

Posted by: newres Apr 4 2017, 01:34 PM

Why so angry? You've still got yours haven't you?

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2017, 02:34 PM

*Tries not to laugh*

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 4 2017, 06:25 PM

You both make light of a very serious subject of which the angry face was a recognition.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 4 2017, 08:05 PM

I made light of a joke, not the link.

Posted by: newres Apr 5 2017, 07:03 AM

And I was making light of the way the "usual suspect" introduced another Islamophobic comment exposing not only his bigotry, but also his ignorance.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 5 2017, 08:50 AM

Explain the "bigotry" and "ignorance" displayed by showing disdain for an abhorrent act?
Also, regarding "Islamophobic", Peter puts it better than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-PP61qTmic you may lessen your ignorance by doing so.

Posted by: newres Apr 5 2017, 01:41 PM

Well I presume you mentioned GMT because it's on the face of it a thread about Islamic terrorism and your ignorance is because it isn't an Islamic problem, but more of a regional problem. Many Islamic countries don't "do" GMT and I think I'm right in saying some Christian countries do.

If you accept GMT is not an Islamic problem, I misjudged you and I apologise.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 5 2017, 03:34 PM

I do, and thanks.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 5 2017, 04:05 PM

Fixxerd that for you!

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 5 2017, 04:59 PM

Yes, quite right, should've spotted that, thanks!