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Simon Kirby
post Sep 10 2016, 09:08 AM
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Newbury Town Council are to install a bronze statue of a prosperous industrialist, robed in a fur-trimmed cloak as he stands aloft and captured in the moment he flips the finger at the town's people. The Council are looking for a model to pose for the statue. Any suggestions for a good candidate?



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post Sep 10 2016, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Sep 10 2016, 10:08 AM) *
Newbury Town Council are to install a bronze statue of a prosperous industrialist, robed in a fur-trimmed cloak as he stands aloft and captured in the moment he flips the finger at the town's people. The Council are looking for a model to pose for the statue. Any suggestions for a good candidate?

Go on Simon. Go for it!! tongue.gif
You must have the odd cloak and woollen hat in you wardrobe somewhere? biggrin.gif

P.S. Oh and you'll need some tights! wink.gif
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post Sep 10 2016, 11:17 AM
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I'm sure he could knit some out of eco cauliflower stalks.
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post Sep 10 2016, 01:04 PM
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Or maybe out of RED cabbage leaves!


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post Sep 10 2016, 03:25 PM
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Couldn't the statue be sculpted bent over and it could also serve as a bike stand.

On a serious note, what about a statue of an American Airman, arguably the US base is the only unique local thing deep rooted Newbury people seem to have any regard for.


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post Sep 10 2016, 04:04 PM
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A screaming Eagle.


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post Sep 11 2016, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 10 2016, 04:25 PM) *
Couldn't the statue be sculpted bent over and it could also serve as a bike stand.

On a serious note, what about a statue of an American Airman, arguably the US base is the only unique local thing deep rooted Newbury people seem to have any regard for.

Newbury is a bit lacking in important history. Coincidentally I've just had a similar conversation with someone.
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post Sep 11 2016, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Sep 11 2016, 02:55 PM) *
Newbury is a bit lacking in important history. Coincidentally I've just had a similar conversation with someone.

I assume the Civil War doesn't count then?
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post Sep 11 2016, 04:22 PM
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Here's the picture of the man painted in 1550, six years before he condemned the protestant Newbury Martyrs to burn at the stake on Enborne Road for reading the bible in English rather than Latin - such a model of tolerance, no wonder our town council are so happy to venerate the chap.

The portrait shows the gentleman pointing unhappily at his inadequate manhood - perhaps a family trait - his father's name was Smallwood.



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post Sep 11 2016, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Sep 11 2016, 05:22 PM) *
Here's the picture of the man painted in 1550, six years before he condemned the protestant Newbury Martyrs to burn at the stake on Enborne Road for reading the bible in English rather than Latin - such a model of tolerance, no wonder our town council are so happy to venerate the chap.

The portrait shows the gentleman pointing unhappily at his inadequate manhood - perhaps a family trait - his father's name was Smallwood.



...Aaah, that explains the flagstaff fettish!


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post Sep 11 2016, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 11 2016, 05:21 PM) *
I assume the Civil War doesn't count then?

Well in comparison to Bristol, which is where I'm from, being the location for a battle or two in the civil war isn't that much of a big deal. Next you'll be telling me we are important in cinema history because a couple of scenes from Star Wars will filmed on the common. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 11 2016, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Sep 11 2016, 05:22 PM) *
Here's the picture of the man painted in 1550, six years before he condemned the protestant Newbury Martyrs to burn at the stake on Enborne Road for reading the bible in English rather than Latin - such a model of tolerance, no wonder our town council are so happy to venerate the chap.

The portrait shows the gentleman pointing unhappily at his inadequate manhood - perhaps a family trait - his father's name was Smallwood.


I understand he was enacting the law at the time and he tried to persuade one of the martyrs to 'repent'. After the trial he also called for more religious tolerance.
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post Sep 11 2016, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 11 2016, 06:21 PM) *
I understand he was enacting the law at the time and he tried to persuade one of the martyrs to 'repent'. After the trial he also called for more religious tolerance.

Seriously, you're going with the "only following orders" defence? I have no religious convictions of my own, but if I were to set up a statue to anyone in this situation it would be to the principled martyrs who stuck to their convictions in an honest belief that what they were doing would make the world a better place, and not to the establishment despot who was happy to execute dissenters with the most appalling barbarity if that's what it took to prosper. I'd sooner have a statue of Idi Amin.


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post Sep 11 2016, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Sep 11 2016, 06:20 PM) *
Well in comparison to Bristol, which is where I'm from, being the location for a battle or two in the civil war isn't that much of a big deal. Next you'll be telling me we are important in cinema history because a couple of scenes from Star Wars will filmed on the common. biggrin.gif

Some historians hold the 1st Battle of Newbury to be the defining moment of the war. The 1st Battle of Newbury halted a string of Roylist victories and is seen as the start of the end for the Royalist cause.
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post Sep 11 2016, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Sep 11 2016, 06:31 PM) *
Seriously, you're going with the "only following orders" defence? I have no religious convictions of my own, but if I were to set up a statue to anyone in this situation it would be to the principled martyrs who stuck to their convictions in an honest belief that what they were doing would make the world a better place, and not to the establishment despot who was happy to execute dissenters with the most appalling barbarity if that's what it took to prosper. I'd sooner have a statue of Idi Amin.

I am adding some balance to your overtly one sided view. I also understand he was not happy to condemn the men.

Your Idi Amin comment is crass, it is stupid to extract life then and apply the standards now. Records of the event are not concise, but I suggest your outrage is both shallow and without solid foundation.

Taking your puerile moral outrage I think it is about time we tor down statues of Richard Ist and Churchill, such was their haste to prosecute warfare.
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post Sep 11 2016, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 11 2016, 06:38 PM) *
Some historians hold the 1st Battle of Newbury to be the defining moment of the war. The 1st Battle of Newbury halted a string of Roylist victories and is seen as the start of the end for the Royalist cause.

Since I come from Bristol as well, I am not particularly well up on Newbury history. However I do know there were two Civil War battles fought here which are pretty important events - at least as important (if not more so) than John Cabot sailing off into the wild blue yonder.
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post Sep 11 2016, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 11 2016, 06:38 PM) *
Some historians hold the 1st Battle of Newbury to be the defining moment of the war. The 1st Battle of Newbury halted a string of Roylist victories and is seen as the start of the end for the Royalist cause.

It happened near Newbury, and that's all that can be said for it, it was hardly something that Newbury contributed to - I imagine Newbury's good Burghers were keeping their heads down and doing their best to profit from the situation by selling their wares to both sides.

If you want a defining event in Newbury's history it was the Newbury Martyrs - "Berkshire has the honour of having received the doctrines of the Reformation as early as any part of England, and Fuller says, "Let other places give the honour to the town of Newbury, because it started first in the race of the reformed religion."" See here. For a brief moment in the town's history Newbury was leading the land in free-thinking - now that is something to celebrate, only it's hardly something the establishment are going to want to promote.


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post Sep 11 2016, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 11 2016, 06:47 PM) *
I am adding some balance to your overtly one sided view. I also understand he was not happy to condemn the men.

Your Idi Amin comment is crass, it is stupid to extract life then and apply the standards now. Records of the event are not concise, but I suggest your outrage is both shallow and without solid foundation.

Taking your puerile moral outrage I think it is about time we tor down statues of Richard Ist and Churchill, such was their haste to prosecute warfare.

Idi Amin was simply applying the law as it stood, and he was of course supported in his despotism by the British, so why not a statue to him if we're going to venerate immolants?


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post Sep 11 2016, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Sep 11 2016, 06:56 PM) *
It happened near Newbury, and that's all that can be said for it, it was hardly something that Newbury contributed to

That's how I see it. Newbury was a just place to rest your horses on the way to Bristol. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 11 2016, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Sep 11 2016, 07:05 PM) *
That's how I see it. Newbury was a just place to rest your horses on the way to Bristol. biggrin.gif

Yes, and to be ripped off:-

The famous in at Speenhamland
Stands just below the hill
May well be called the Pelican
From its enormous bill

Oh well, at least Tax Credits were invented here!


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