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Andy Capp
post Apr 30 2017, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 30 2017, 12:18 AM) *
And you have the utter gall to sneer at UKIP. Unbelievable, I hope (personal opinion) that the person responsible finds a couple of squadies tap dancing on his liver very soon. In a satirical manner of course. Free expression and all that.

That's the trouble with a democracy: people voicing different opinions. It is a facist state that would beat someone trying to expose the ugly side of war.
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post Apr 30 2017, 10:25 AM
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If we were really honest, we have absolutely no need for our own armed forces. The most we need is, for want of a better description, an upgraded fire, paramedic and police service capable of operating at an international level. Nothing more.


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post Apr 30 2017, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 30 2017, 11:25 AM) *
If we were really honest, we have absolutely no need for our own armed forces. The most we need is, for want of a better description, an upgraded fire, paramedic and police service capable of operating at an international level. Nothing more.

And it's curious that you can join the Army at 16, but you have to be 18 before you can join the Fire Service.


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post Apr 30 2017, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 30 2017, 11:25 AM) *
If we were really honest, we have absolutely no need for our own armed forces. The most we need is, for want of a better description, an upgraded fire, paramedic and police service capable of operating at an international level. Nothing more.


We need our armed forces. I think the above is at best naieve.
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post Apr 30 2017, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 30 2017, 03:12 PM) *
We need our armed forces. I think the above is at best naieve.


Care to explain why; or is that too hard?


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post Apr 30 2017, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 30 2017, 03:26 PM) *
Care to explain why; or is that too hard?


NATO. Or do you think the USA should pay for everything? You really think Putin etc would not take advantage if he knew we were defenceless??? Do you???? Really????? Id rather not take the chance but perhaps you would. Care to explain why you think thay getting rid of all the armes forces is a good idea ? Or is that tooo hard????
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post Apr 30 2017, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2017, 11:31 AM) *
And it's curious that you can join the Army at 16, but you have to be 18 before you can join the Fire Service.

I blame old people. Logans run with a twist. Thats the answer. Get to 85. Stone in hand turns red. 🔥 works display at wembley. And it would get rid of all those **** brexit voters....
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post Apr 30 2017, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 30 2017, 05:14 PM) *
I blame old people. Logans run with a twist. Thats the answer. Get to 85. Stone in hand turns red. 🔥 works display at wembley. And it would get rid of all those **** brexit voters....

Even better, for the election every voter gets a stone, those who vote for the losing party get the nice ride to a 'processing' plant somewhere in the country. No more dissemination, no more dissent. Easy.


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post Apr 30 2017, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 30 2017, 05:10 PM) *
NATO. Or do you think the USA should pay for everything? You really think Putin etc would not take advantage if he knew we were defenceless??? Do you???? Really????? Id rather not take the chance but perhaps you would. Care to explain why you think thay getting rid of all the armes forces is a good idea ? Or is that tooo hard????

That's easy! The loony tunes would rather take their chances with a flask of cocoa, two verses of the red flag and an invite to the other side to pop round for a cosy chat. Works every time you know. Guaranteed.


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post Apr 30 2017, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 30 2017, 05:10 PM) *
NATO. Or do you think the USA should pay for everything? You really think Putin etc would not take advantage if he knew we were defenceless??? Do you???? Really????? Id rather not take the chance but perhaps you would. Care to explain why you think thay getting rid of all the armes forces is a good idea ? Or is that tooo hard????


Calm down dear, it's only a discussion!

It would be very nice if the Americans did pay, some of us are old enough to remember they weren't exactly quick off the mark during certain other significant conflicts.

As for NATO, there are significant European nations not members, Sweden and Switzerland for example. There is also no reason why NATO should have its own capability no I'd have no objection in paying for that and letting British subjects be trained and based in UK. But the very existence of NATO demonstrates we do not need an independent armed force of our own under our political command. Mr Blair has clearly demonstrated the dangers of military independence.

As for Putin, if you have really been following events for the past few years, he has been somewhat more stable than certainly the latest American President. He has his own reasons for any aggression and has often been willing to parly than other dictators. On one occasion he even upset a puffed up Mr Cameron by implying he thought we are an irrelevance. What reason would be have to attack us? So no, I don't think he'd do anything to us at all.

Sure, there is a nuclear worry with North Korea, doubly worrying because their reason for a nuclear arsenal is because America has one. Oh dear, but again, loosing off nuclear weapons means both sides get it, so either way you are dead.

So for defence purposes, an independent military force isn't necessary, unless you feel we still have a need to independently attack and subjugate other people? I'm sure this won't help you sleep soundly, but Britian lost it's great military power status in the mid 1950s a Mr Eden was Prime Minister at the time.

So no, I don't think we need our own independent armed forces and so long as we maintain a professional competent Police force, I'll feel quite safe.

How is the shelter coming on; presumably you'll need a biggish oil tank for when the mains go?


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post Apr 30 2017, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 30 2017, 09:19 PM) *
Calm down dear, it's only a discussion!

It would be very nice if the Americans did pay, some of us are old enough to remember they weren't exactly quick off the mark during certain other significant conflicts.

As for NATO, there are significant European nations not members, Sweden and Switzerland for example. There is also no reason why NATO should have its own capability no I'd have no objection in paying for that and letting British subjects be trained and based in UK. But the very existence of NATO demonstrates we do not need an independent armed force of our own under our political command. Mr Blair has clearly demonstrated the dangers of military independence.

As for Putin, if you have really been following events for the past few years, he has been somewhat more stable than certainly the latest American President. He has his own reasons for any aggression and has often been willing to parly than other dictators. On one occasion he even upset a puffed up Mr Cameron by implying he thought we are an irrelevance. What reason would be have to attack us? So no, I don't think he'd do anything to us at all.

Sure, there is a nuclear worry with North Korea, doubly worrying because their reason for a nuclear arsenal is because America has one. Oh dear, but again, loosing off nuclear weapons means both sides get it, so either way you are dead.

So for defence purposes, an independent military force isn't necessary, unless you feel we still have a need to independently attack and subjugate other people? I'm sure this won't help you sleep soundly, but Britian lost it's great military power status in the mid 1950s a Mr Eden was Prime Minister at the time.

So no, I don't think we need our own independent armed forces and so long as we maintain a professional competent Police force, I'll feel quite safe.

How is the shelter coming on; presumably you'll need a biggish oil tank for when the mains go?


You asked me. I answered. It wasn't hard. And I am quite calm thanks. I find the loony left and liberal types far more aggresive these days than even the right wing.

PS if the wind blows I'll be happy dead rather than the alternative.
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post Apr 30 2017, 10:06 PM
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Better dead than Red.
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post May 1 2017, 05:58 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 30 2017, 10:01 PM) *
You asked me. I answered. It wasn't hard. And I am quite calm thanks. I find the loony left and liberal types far more aggresive these days than even the right wing.

PS if the wind blows I'll be happy dead rather than the alternative.


Good! Your post script has it; indeed we'll all be dead no matter what.

So then, for me, it simply makes sense to spend our money on other things to make the best of it in the time we have before Messrs Putin, Kim or Trump push the big red button.


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post May 1 2017, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 30 2017, 05:10 PM) *
NATO. Or do you think the USA should pay for everything? You really think Putin etc would not take advantage if he knew we were defenceless??? Do you???? Really????? Id rather not take the chance but perhaps you would. Care to explain why you think thay getting rid of all the armes forces is a good idea ? Or is that tooo hard????

I'd say the world has more to fear from the USA than we do from Russia.
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post May 1 2017, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 30 2017, 11:06 PM) *
Better dead than Red.

When you are quitter.
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post May 1 2017, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 1 2017, 02:06 PM) *
When you are quitter.

Beginning to wonder if English (like driving) may be one of your 'fail' skills?
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post May 1 2017, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 1 2017, 05:21 PM) *
Beginning to wonder if English (like driving) may be one of your 'fail' skills?

I'll alert the media!
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post May 2 2017, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 30 2017, 05:14 PM) *
I blame old people. Logans run with a twist. Thats the answer. Get to 85. Stone in hand turns red. 🔥 works display at wembley. And it would get rid of all those **** brexit voters....


Well, Labour have now chosen their candidate and have clearly taken your views seriously. He's young!


The youngsters are said to have stayed away from the referendum because politics doesn't have anything for them, well now is their opportunity, let's hope they take it. What a plus for Newbury if we put in a young progressive MP for once.


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post May 2 2017, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 2 2017, 02:51 PM) *
Well, Labour have now chosen their candidate and have clearly taken your views seriously. He's young!


The youngsters are said to have stayed away from the referendum because politics doesn't have anything for them, well now is their opportunity, let's hope they take it. What a plus for Newbury if we put in a young progressive MP for once.

Amen to that!


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Good luck to him, let's hope he can handle basic maths.


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