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Now this is what I call an 'expert';

"Noel Gallagher has hit out at Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in a colourful interview where he despaired at the state of modern British politics.
The rock star, who previously said he would rather reform Oasis than see “lunatic” Jeremy Corbyn elected, now branded him a “f***ing student debater, f***ing captain fishy craggy old f***ing donkey, f*** off”. He also described shadow home secretary Diane Abbott as “the face of f***ing buffoonery”.
“They talk pipe-smoking communist nonsense, do you know what I mean? I think the role of any politician in the world is to be forward thinking, and modern, and contemporary - looking forward,” he told the Manchester Evening News.


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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 15 2019, 09:14 PM) *
....and what do you think was the Oxbridge degree of choice for politicians and civil servants up until comparitively recently? Again, what is your definition of an expert?

Politicians aren’t generally experts at subjects. They use experts to advise. His degree in Classics doesn’t make him an expert in business, economics, health, social services, defence, law and order or immigration. You’re being a silly billy to quote another politician.
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 15 2019, 10:36 PM) *
Now this is what I call an 'expert';

"Noel Gallagher has hit out at Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in a colourful interview where he despaired at the state of modern British politics.
The rock star, who previously said he would rather reform Oasis than see “lunatic” Jeremy Corbyn elected, now branded him a “f***ing student debater, f***ing captain fishy craggy old f***ing donkey, f*** off”. He also described shadow home secretary Diane Abbott as “the face of f***ing buffoonery”.
“They talk pipe-smoking communist nonsense, do you know what I mean? I think the role of any politician in the world is to be forward thinking, and modern, and contemporary - looking forward,” he told the Manchester Evening News.

I don't like Noel Gallagher but I agree with the thrust of what he's saying. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
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post Today, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2019, 06:37 AM) *
Politicians aren’t generally experts at subjects. They use experts to advise. His degree in Classics doesn’t make him an expert in business, economics, health, social services, defence, law and order or immigration. You’re being a silly billy to quote another politician.


Experts know a great deal about technical matters, which in simple terms is typified by the difference between an arts or science degree. Of course, politicians are not generalists, they'll take expert advice, but like other sensible people, will weigh that against contrary expert advice and other factors. Finally, again, I'd also argue that you insult politicians by saying they are aren't generally experts at subjects - one of the strengths of the Cimmons is having politicians who had (and often still follow) a career elsewhere. Ironically, your stance well illustrates the danger of career politicians who know no other field of endeavour.
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Slightly stating the obvious perhaps, but worth pointing out. It’s a complete impasse. There has to be a referendum or general election. BJ cannot deliver a new deal or no deal. No wonder he won’t make himself available.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/j...re_iOSApp_Other

My hope is that he’s going to get in and admit the only way forward is a second vote on the existing deal.
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 16 2019, 08:13 AM) *
Experts know a great deal about technical matters, which in simple terms is typified by the difference between an arts or science degree. Of course, politicians are not generalists, they'll take expert advice, but like other sensible people, will weigh that against contrary expert advice and other factors. Finally, again, I'd also argue that you insult politicians by saying they are aren't generally experts at subjects - one of the strengths of the Cimmons is having politicians who had (and often still follow) a career elsewhere. Ironically, your stance well illustrates the danger of career politicians who know no other field of endeavour.

Sorry, but that's incoherent.
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2019, 08:16 AM) *
Slightly stating the obvious perhaps, but worth pointing out. It’s a complete impasse. There has to be a referendum or general election. BJ cannot deliver a new deal or no deal. No wonder he won’t make himself available.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/j...re_iOSApp_Other

My hope is that he’s going to get in and admit the only way forward is a second vote on the existing deal.

The Guardian 😆😆😆


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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 15 2019, 10:37 AM) *
Even the IRA have higher standards than the Brexit MPs. They refuse to attend HofC and don't take their salaries.

One word........
Unbelievable!!!
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2019, 08:25 AM) *
Sorry, but that's incoherent.


Rubbish. My nine year old nephew fully understands this. It's information which doesn't fit your view of the World so, of course, you don't comprehend. Ironic, proves a point about your attitude others have mentioned. laugh.gif
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 16 2019, 09:35 AM) *
Rubbish. My nine year old nephew fully understands this. It's information which doesn't fit your view of the World so, of course, you don't comprehend. Ironic, proves a point about your attitude others have mentioned. laugh.gif

It’s muddled. On the one hand you’re saying someone with a Classics MA is an expert in everything and then you’re saying they’re not.
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 16 2019, 09:33 AM) *
The Guardian 😆😆😆

Well here’s your chance to critique the analysis. What’s wrong with it? I don’t expect an answer from you btw.
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2019, 09:40 AM) *
Well here’s your chance to critique the analysis. What’s wrong with it? I don’t expect an answer from you btw.

It's just, The Guardian 😆😆😆.

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 15 2019, 06:56 PM) *
Personally I’d rather be guided by the experts.


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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2019, 09:39 AM) *
It’s muddled. On the one hand you’re saying someone with a Classics MA is an expert in everything and then you’re saying they’re not.


'A generalist doesn't need to be a subject matter expert but can be expert in the art of governance.'
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2019, 08:25 AM) *
Sorry, but that's incoherent.

So, what was it that you couldn't understand, oh, wait, as you were. Newres 😂😂😂


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