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Andy Capp
post Apr 14 2013, 09:03 AM
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And so the headline goes. While he and I are pleased to read this line from Julian Swift-Hook's email, I am sure it was he and his panel that endorsed the plan for Sainsbury's to turn it into a huge depot in the first place.
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post Apr 14 2013, 12:21 PM
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...and we still don't want any improvement to the A339 to Basingstoke!


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post Apr 14 2013, 02:31 PM
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The conundrum:
1. We want a vibrant employment market;
2. The town centres are bursting and not attractive to business;
3. There is opportunity for out of town development on 'brownfield' sites;
4. There are objections to the infrastructure necessary to fully utilise those sites;
5. Employers take their business elsewhere;
6. We want a vibrant employment market......
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post Apr 14 2013, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 14 2013, 03:31 PM) *
The conundrum:
1. We want a vibrant employment market;
2. The town centres are bursting and not attractive to business;
3. There is opportunity for out of town development on 'brownfield' sites;
4. There are objections to the infrastructure necessary to fully utilise those sites;
5. Employers take their business elsewhere;
6. We want a vibrant employment market......


Its not a conundrum, just planning by stealth.

National LibDem policy supports moving employment to the North
People in Newbury make a massive fuss about ANY development
The local infrastructure cannot support anything else
There are no funds and no likelihood of funds to change that

Answer - let's just be honest, Newbury is simply a residential / retirement dormitory,its working economy will support that, so lets tell Sainsbury to 'Foxtrot Oscar' After all we wouldn't want to upset any fictional bunnies would we!


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post Apr 14 2013, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 14 2013, 04:26 PM) *
Answer - let's just be honest, Newbury is simply a residential / retirement dormitory,its working economy will support that, so lets tell Sainsbury to 'Foxtrot Oscar' After all we wouldn't want to upset any fictional bunnies would we!

What fictional bunnies?
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post Apr 14 2013, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 14 2013, 05:11 PM) *
What fictional bunnies?

Just poetic licence! Simply that the recent opposition to developments (LibDem) has been founded on potential damage to works of fiction. Taken far more seriously than opposition based on fact, no infrastructure!


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post Apr 14 2013, 09:30 PM
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NWNREADER, Two points.

JSH is welcoming the idea that we are not currently going to have a ferkin great depot on Greenham Common, yet it was him and his team that welcomed Sainsbury's in the first place. He's a hypocrite.

Second; yes, having a vibrant town is one thing, but having a heavy goods vehicle depot using Greenham Common is another.
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post Apr 14 2013, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 14 2013, 06:42 PM) *
Just poetic licence!

Thank goodness! I thought you were implying Watership Down is fiction.......
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post Apr 14 2013, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 14 2013, 10:30 PM) *
NWNREADER, Two points.

JSH is welcoming the idea that we are not currently going to have a ferkin great depot on Greenham Common, yet it was him and his team that welcomed Sainsbury's in the first place. He's a hypocrite.

Second; yes, having a vibrant town is one thing, but having a heavy goods vehicle depot using Greenham Common is another.


1. I know the history of the Sainsbury Depot saga, and follow their vehicles to and from the depot at Basingstoke most days;
2. Precisely. We want the vibrancy but....
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post Apr 14 2013, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 14 2013, 11:09 PM) *
1. I know the history of the Sainsbury Depot saga, and follow their vehicles to and from the depot at Basingstoke most days;
2. Precisely. We want the vibrancy but....

But what? What has a bloody great depot on Greenham Common got to do with a vibrant town? Were you there that night at Luker where Swift-Hook and his gibbons voted to support the bloody thing (I believe one Tory voted against)? Now he's jubilating about its demise! The bloody hypocrite.

It was that night I vowed never to vote Lib Dem again.
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post Apr 14 2013, 10:53 PM
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I am not expressing a view on the particular proposal, just the fact that the businesses that bring work bring needs.
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post Apr 14 2013, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 14 2013, 11:53 PM) *
I am not expressing a view on the particular proposal, just the fact that the businesses that bring work bring needs.

So I will ask again. What has a bloody great depot on Greenham Common got to do with a vibrant town?
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post Apr 14 2013, 11:47 PM
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An employer brings direct and indirect employment. Whether a particular employer/operation is acceptable is a different issue.
Employed people spend money, in the case of an employer on the Greenham set it could be expected some of that spend would be in Nrwbury
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post Apr 15 2013, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 15 2013, 12:47 AM) *
An employer brings direct and indirect employment. Whether a particular employer/operation is acceptable is a different issue.
Employed people spend money, in the case of an employer on the Greenham set it could be expected some of that spend would be in Nrwbury

The site hasn't disappeared , there is every chance that it will be used in the future to bring more jobs to the area - hopefully without the thousands of HGV journeys associated with a distribution centre.
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post Apr 15 2013, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 15 2013, 12:47 AM) *
An employer brings direct and indirect employment. Whether a particular employer/operation is acceptable is a different issue.
Employed people spend money, in the case of an employer on the Greenham set it could be expected some of that spend would be in Nrwbury

We are talking about a bloody great transportation hub. That is and was the objection. The contribution to a vibrant town from this would surely be negligible? Notwithstanding apparent hypocrisy from Julian Swift-Hook on the matter - I saw him and his panel vote Sainsbury's in.
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post Apr 15 2013, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 15 2013, 10:32 AM) *
We are talking about a bloody great transportation hub. That is and was the objection. The contribution to a vibrant town from this would surely be negligible?

Lots of vibrations from the lorries trundling through Newbury on the A339.
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post Apr 15 2013, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 14 2013, 11:43 PM) *
But what? What has a bloody great depot on Greenham Common got to do with a vibrant town? Were you there that night at Luker where Swift-Hook and his gibbons voted to support the bloody thing (I believe one Tory voted against)? Now he's jubilating about its demise! The bloody hypocrite.

It was that night I vowed never to vote Lib Dem again.

He is a politician - what did you expect.
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post Apr 15 2013, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 15 2013, 10:34 AM) *
Lots of vibrations from the lorries trundling through Newbury on the A339.

That already happens.
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post Apr 15 2013, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 15 2013, 01:43 PM) *
That already happens.

Nothing like it used to pre-bypass or would have done if the ProLogis scheme had gone ahead.
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post Apr 15 2013, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 15 2013, 04:58 PM) *
Nothing like it used to pre-bypass or would have done if the ProLogis scheme had gone ahead.

The prologix scheme was intended to replace the Sainsbury's depot in Basingstoke. Which do you think traffic from the N gets to that depot now?
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