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post May 15 2018, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 15 2018, 07:19 AM) *
You dodged the point I was making: the random unexpected nature of some potholes make them dangerous for all road users, whether driving at the speed limit or not.


I'll probably get shot down for this, but certainly round here I haven't seen one pothole deep enough to be dangerous to proper road users. Yes, some do go deeper or various reasons, but the Council do actually repair these very rapidly.

I have a problem with 'all' road users. Some have unreasonable expectations, which is a other matter entirely. For instance, a cyclist I know who damaged a very expensive racing cycle hitting a crumbled road surface. He complained bitterly, but, looking at it logically, why on earth was he expecting a velodrome standard surface to practice his hobby when he hadn't paid a brass cent towards it? His ability to pass freely along the Queen's highway, which his taxes pay to be paved and drained is the only entitlement.

Sure, for some old or poorly designed vehicles, riding over rough surfaces will cause damage - particularly if done at speed. Knowing our road surfaces are not and in reality never have been, silky smooth means holes might be random, but can be expected and anticipated - rather like pedestrians.

The emergency service managements are also said to complain, but what public service manager doesn't keep complaining these days. However, even a casual glance at their issues tells a different story. Their biggest difficulty is random parking, where self centred drivers leave vehicles parked in such a way as to block progress; usually in areas of high density housing. Again, down to unreasonable expectations of certain road users, who feel that the general population ought to pay for somewhere they can park their vehicle where they choose to end their journey.


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post May 15 2018, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 15 2018, 08:01 AM) *
I'll probably get shot down for this, but certainly round here I haven't seen one pothole deep enough to be dangerous to proper road users. Yes, some do go deeper or various reasons, but the Council do actually repair these very rapidly.

I have a problem with 'all' road users. Some have unreasonable expectations, which is a other matter entirely. For instance, a cyclist I know who damaged a very expensive racing cycle hitting a crumbled road surface. He complained bitterly, but, looking at it logically, why on earth was he expecting a velodrome standard surface to practice his hobby when he hadn't paid a brass cent towards it? His ability to pass freely along the Queen's highway, which his taxes pay to be paved and drained is the only entitlement.

Sure, for some old or poorly designed vehicles, riding over rough surfaces will cause damage - particularly if done at speed. Knowing our road surfaces are not and in reality never have been, silky smooth means holes might be random, but can be expected and anticipated - rather like pedestrians.

The emergency service managements are also said to complain, but what public service manager doesn't keep complaining these days. However, even a casual glance at their issues tells a different story. Their biggest difficulty is random parking, where self centred drivers leave vehicles parked in such a way as to block progress; usually in areas of high density housing. Again, down to unreasonable expectations of certain road users, who feel that the general population ought to pay for somewhere they can park their vehicle where they choose to end their journey.


Ah the voice of common sense, which undoubtedly will be vilified by the baying forumites, makes an unexpected appearance. To be honest Newbury has pretty good roads compared to some towns, but still has it's share of selfish drivers.


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post May 16 2018, 06:59 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 15 2018, 08:01 AM) *
I'll probably get shot down for this, but certainly round here I haven't seen one pothole deep enough to be dangerous to proper road users. Yes, some do go deeper or various reasons, but the Council do actually repair these very rapidly.

I have a problem with 'all' road users. Some have unreasonable expectations, which is a other matter entirely. For instance, a cyclist I know who damaged a very expensive racing cycle hitting a crumbled road surface. He complained bitterly, but, looking at it logically, why on earth was he expecting a velodrome standard surface to practice his hobby when he hadn't paid a brass cent towards it? His ability to pass freely along the Queen's highway, which his taxes pay to be paved and drained is the only entitlement.

Sure, for some old or poorly designed vehicles, riding over rough surfaces will cause damage - particularly if done at speed. Knowing our road surfaces are not and in reality never have been, silky smooth means holes might be random, but can be expected and anticipated - rather like pedestrians.

The emergency service managements are also said to complain, but what public service manager doesn't keep complaining these days. However, even a casual glance at their issues tells a different story. Their biggest difficulty is random parking, where self centred drivers leave vehicles parked in such a way as to block progress; usually in areas of high density housing. Again, down to unreasonable expectations of certain road users, who feel that the general population ought to pay for somewhere they can park their vehicle where they choose to end their journey.

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post May 16 2018, 03:57 PM
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There was one pothole which was about 4 inches deep and about 2ft long, about 1ft wide, on a road very near to my house

If you hit it at 30mph it would literally sound like a bomb has gone off.
The road is a 40 limit.
It was also in the direct natural wheel path..


I agree generally round here the roads are not awful but they are not good either

A recent trip to Europe showed how much nicer the roads in France, Belgium, and Germany were.

If they repaired the road properly for let's say £50 / yard rather which lasted 10 years, rather than £30 / yard which lasts 2 years....


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post May 16 2018, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ May 16 2018, 04:57 PM) *
There was one pothole which was about 4 inches deep and about 2ft long, about 1ft wide, on a road very near to my house

If you hit it at 30mph it would literally sound like a bomb has gone off.
The road is a 40 limit.
It was also in the direct natural wheel path..


I agree generally round here the roads are not awful but they are not good either

A recent trip to Europe showed how much nicer the roads in France, Belgium, and Germany were.

If they repaired the road properly for let's say £50 / yard rather which lasted 10 years, rather than £30 / yard which lasts 2 years....

I agree, even the back roads in France are better than most A roads here. Still driving that golf??


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post May 16 2018, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ May 16 2018, 04:57 PM) *
There was one pothole which was about 4 inches deep and about 2ft long, about 1ft wide, on a road very near to my house

If you hit it at 30mph it would literally sound like a bomb has gone off.
The road is a 40 limit.
It was also in the direct natural wheel path..


I agree generally round here the roads are not awful but they are not good either

A recent trip to Europe showed how much nicer the roads in France, Belgium, and Germany were.

If they repaired the road properly for let's say £50 / yard rather which lasted 10 years, rather than £30 / yard which lasts 2 years....


Yes, yet another reason for Brexit!

The speed limit is just that, the limit, not the advisory mean! Drivers in the UK at least are obliged to drive at a speed commensurate with the conditions they find at the time.

If you report your pot hole, do it by phone, they'll tell you the size limits and if justified, will repair it. It works, I've done it.


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post May 16 2018, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 16 2018, 06:01 PM) *
I agree, even the back roads in France are better than most A roads here. Still driving that golf??



No I got rid of it.

Been building this for the last 4 years :

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Got 395hp from a 2.0 TDI

Now it's in a million pieces on my drive with no dashboard, doors or wings . rolleyes.gif

We went to the Nurburgring in April.
What an experience that was.


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post May 16 2018, 10:31 PM
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Did you meet Sabine??


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post May 16 2018, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 16 2018, 11:31 PM) *
Did you meet Sabine??


I wish! tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

Instead got taken round the ring in one of those Ring Taxi jobs, it was the dogs nuts!!! Defo be going every year from now on.


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post May 17 2018, 07:04 PM
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People don’t expect velodrome standard roads, just roads that are safe enough so that one need not swerve to avoid. In my view OTE is talking absolute myopic ignorant bollox.
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post May 18 2018, 05:32 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 17 2018, 08:04 PM) *
People don’t expect velodrome standard roads, just roads that are safe enough so that one need not swerve to avoid. In my view OTE is talking absolute myopic ignorant bollox.


But the roads ARE safe enough. Haven't seen any reports locally of this happening certainly in any dangerous way. Similarly, I haven't noticed any significant increase in the road traffic accident statistics where the cause is road conditions. Our local roads authority actually has a standard and holes in the highway which become of greater depth are repaired, within the statutory time limits. Those standards weren't just dreamed up. A little more concentration whilst at the wheel helps of course?


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post May 18 2018, 08:05 PM
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Well, Andy Capp, as you'll see from the latest Newbury Advertiser, WBC are on top of the pothole situation, from what Councillor Clifford reported, we are doing better than many other Councils making good the problems compounded by last seasons far worse than average weather. She also pointed out that a pothole that is an immediate hazard is made safe within two hours from time repair is ordered. They are spending 50 percent more on thus sort of routine maintenance as they did last year - yes, more. not less. She went on to say people are noticing they are doing a pretty good job. So, Andy what's the problem?


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