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Simon Kirby
post Apr 18 2013, 07:18 PM
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TWO candidates standing under an Apolitical banner are planning to put the cat among the pigeons by standing for Newbury Town Council at next month's by-election.

Married couple Charlie Farrow and Dave Yates, from Berkeley Road, will be fighting on Thursday, May 9, for the two Victoria ward seats left vacant when Liberal Democrats Liz Salter and Mukesh Bansal stepped down last month because of work and personal commitments.

They are hoping to shake up the established parties and Charlie said this week: "The Council's not listening. If we can get two Apolitical voices on Newbury Town Council maybe we can amplify the voices of the thousands who are not being heard."


I'm an Apolitical myself and I'm really pleased that Dave and Charlie are standing, and it would be just so great if they could beat Labour to win the election. The Town Council could be a real powerhouse in the community but over the last ten years it's become more and more alienated from the townspeople it is supposed to serve. The council needs councillors with fresh ideas and an openness to the ideas of others. If you're in Victoria ward I hope you'll vote for Dave and Charlie.


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post Apr 18 2013, 07:54 PM
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Good luck to them! I didn't even realise the Chronicle was still around either.
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post Apr 18 2013, 09:30 PM
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Really good to have some non single issue, sensible independents locally.


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post Apr 19 2013, 06:36 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 18 2013, 10:30 PM) *
Really good to have some non single issue, sensible independents locally.


Not much chance for them then. wink.gif
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post Apr 19 2013, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Apr 19 2013, 07:36 AM) *
Not much chance for them then. wink.gif

Possibly not right now. Trouble is the electorate have been so anethetised by party politics that they've lost the will and want to think for themselves. That we have a well contested by election where previously we would have seen a shoe in, must be a good sign.


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post Apr 19 2013, 09:16 AM
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Apolitical is a misnomer; they are becoming politicians themselves in standing.

What I think they mean is that they are offering an alternative to the paradigm of party politics.
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post Apr 19 2013, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Apr 19 2013, 10:16 AM) *
party politics.


Surely any individual or group that stands for an election and possesses a vision and produces a manifesto for change, that seeks to influence or actually control a Council or even the Government, is engaging in Party Politics?

The Apolitical's clearly are 'political' in this sense as their members share an agenda, albeit one that does not necessarily fully support the perceived dictum of the other mainstream political groups, but they are still a Party in the political sense.

Being a bit of a romantic, I have to say that I am somewhat theoretically supportive of a bohemian approach to politics, but I realise that we live in the globalised twenty-first century, where even the likes of a town council such as that existing here in Newbury has to be aware of, and respond to not only local, but regional, national and even international issues such as Europe, etc.

Let's not forget that many people living here in Newbury, and its economy depend directly or indirectly on the international companies that have a base within our market town, and the services that they provide. We cannot simply "pull up the drawbridge" and return to a bygone period, that actually never existed, for Newbury has always been involved in commerce, and as such been dependent on external markets for its existence.

Newbury is an example of a "Twenty-first Century Market Town" that necessitates positive and thoughtful further growth to accommodate businesses and citizens alike. In order to achieve the positive outcomes for Newbury then any group will require a critical mass of members to more easily influence and bring about the changes to our town that are needed. To do this, one has to engage in Party Politics, which clearly the Apoliticals realise.

Again I wish the Apoliticals well in their endeavours, but I personally feel that the Liberal Democrat Party has been doing a very good job at assisting in the development of Newbury and should be offered the opportunity to continue this work. The reality is that Newbury and Thatcham Town Councils are currently working as best they can within their spheres of influence to thwart the draconian and ludicrous cuts imposed by the Tory led district council, that has led to numerous services being lost or reduced in size, but they have managed to hoard millions away for "a rainy day".

One only has to look out of the economic and social window to realise that the "rainy days" have been with us for a considerable about of time, and the vulnerable are further suffering as a result. I do not propose a "spend, spend, spend" culture, but we should be investing for a brighter future in our greatest resource, that is the public.
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post Apr 19 2013, 01:31 PM
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We could have had another £2,000,000.00 in the kitty of you and the local Tories hadn't decided to spend it on repaving the then recently resurfaced road in the town centre!
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post Apr 19 2013, 02:12 PM
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Oh dear, it's election time for the forum again. Where's our local green party member? Must be time for his two pennyworth as well. Still more platitudes from the hopefulls.


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 19 2013, 03:12 PM) *
Oh dear, it's election time for the forum again. Where's our local green party member? Must be time for his two pennyworth as well. Still more platitudes from the hopefulls.


Yes must be an election coming up prospective councillors are appearing on the forum? Don't worry that will soon cease when elections are over! Move along nothing of interest happening here ! rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 19 2013, 05:30 PM
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No greens standing... where is Adriand and his merry band of followers??
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post Apr 19 2013, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Apr 19 2013, 06:30 PM) *
No greens standing... where is Adriand and his merry band of followers??

No need to be flippant. I like Adrian, he's a good egg, and he's also thorough and well-informed. There's much I admire about the Greens and I really hope he gets a seat on the WBC next time round. It is a shame that the Greens locally aren't strong enough to field a couple of candidates, like OtE says, the electorate need to see that there is an alternative to the con-dems and start to demand something better from the local government that affects so many of the important things in their lives.


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post Apr 19 2013, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Apr 19 2013, 12:42 PM) *
Surely any individual or group that stands for an election and possesses a vision and produces a manifesto for change, that seeks to influence or actually control a Council or even the Government, is engaging in Party Politics?

The Apolitical's clearly are 'political' in this sense as their members share an agenda, albeit one that does not necessarily fully support the perceived dictum of the other mainstream political groups, but they are still a Party in the political sense.

Being a bit of a romantic, I have to say that I am somewhat theoretically supportive of a bohemian approach to politics, but I realise that we live in the globalised twenty-first century, where even the likes of a town council such as that existing here in Newbury has to be aware of, and respond to not only local, but regional, national and even international issues such as Europe, etc.

Let's not forget that many people living here in Newbury, and its economy depend directly or indirectly on the international companies that have a base within our market town, and the services that they provide. We cannot simply "pull up the drawbridge" and return to a bygone period, that actually never existed, for Newbury has always been involved in commerce, and as such been dependent on external markets for its existence.

Newbury is an example of a "Twenty-first Century Market Town" that necessitates positive and thoughtful further growth to accommodate businesses and citizens alike. In order to achieve the positive outcomes for Newbury then any group will require a critical mass of members to more easily influence and bring about the changes to our town that are needed. To do this, one has to engage in Party Politics, which clearly the Apoliticals realise.

Again I wish the Apoliticals well in their endeavours, but I personally feel that the Liberal Democrat Party has been doing a very good job at assisting in the development of Newbury and should be offered the opportunity to continue this work. The reality is that Newbury and Thatcham Town Councils are currently working as best they can within their spheres of influence to thwart the draconian and ludicrous cuts imposed by the Tory led district council, that has led to numerous services being lost or reduced in size, but they have managed to hoard millions away for "a rainy day".

One only has to look out of the economic and social window to realise that the "rainy days" have been with us for a considerable about of time, and the vulnerable are further suffering as a result. I do not propose a "spend, spend, spend" culture, but we should be investing for a brighter future in our greatest resource, that is the public.


You still don't get it do you? The Lib Dems is obviously the right place for you
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post Apr 19 2013, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Apr 19 2013, 06:30 PM) *
No greens standing...
Nor are you .
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post Apr 19 2013, 07:46 PM
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I don't live in Victoria Ward but for this, wish I did! Appreciate the Greens haven't put up a candidate, which might be a good thing, because the electors will be spoilt for choice. As someone who thought local democracy was in its death throes, that we are having a contest at all, let alone with two new party options, who are treating this very seriously is frankly astounding. No matter the immediate outcome, this can only be good, so well done for standing. With luck, the Greens are keeping their powder dry for the WBC elections, when I'll get the chance and am hoping that I'll have a ticket that needs some careful thought too. If anyone here is from Victoria Ward, whatever your affiliation, please turn up and either vote or just put your ballot paper in the box.


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post Apr 19 2013, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 19 2013, 08:46 PM) *
I don't live in Victoria Ward but for this, wish I did! Appreciate the Greens haven't put up a candidate, which might be a good thing, because the electors will be spoilt for choice.
Is choice a bad thing?
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post Apr 19 2013, 09:06 PM
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Is choice a bad thing?


No. It would be great to have a choice of CEO for WBC. Unfortunately we don't get that opportunity so we are left with the useless Nick Carter!
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post Apr 19 2013, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 19 2013, 06:48 PM) *
No need to be flippant. I like Adrian, he's a good egg, and he's also thorough and well-informed. There's much I admire about the Greens and I really hope he gets a seat on the WBC next time round. It is a shame that the Greens locally aren't strong enough to field a couple of candidates, like OtE says, the electorate need to see that there is an alternative to the con-dems and start to demand something better from the local government that affects so many of the important things in their lives.


He also is an uppity little man who doesn't want anyone to interfere with his village, goes on about how important green issues are, and then drives a massive 4x4 which is less economical than my diesel, thinks lowering the speed limit is the answer for everything and worst of all, has a personal website.

I would happily vote for you Simon if you stood - you are a nice bloke. And a sound head. I would rather suck a fart out my own ******** than vote for Adrian Hollister.

On the other hand, being as we are the BBC and need to provide balance, at least he fights for what he believes in.


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QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 19 2013, 11:30 PM) *
He also is an uppity little man who doesn't want anyone to interfere with his village, goes on about how important green issues are, and then drives a massive 4x4 which is less economical than my diesel

So what?, perhpas he does a lot less mileage than you?

QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 19 2013, 11:30 PM) *
thinks lowering the speed limit is the answer for everything and worst of all, has a personal website.

His website is worse than his speed restriction idea? Boolax is it.

QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 19 2013, 11:30 PM) *
I would happily vote for you Simon if you stood - you are a nice bloke. And a sound head. I would rather suck a fart out my own ******** than vote for Adrian Hollister.

This is why democracy is feerked. It is not about being nice, it should be about being right.

QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 19 2013, 11:30 PM) *
On the other hand, being as we are the BBC and need to provide balance, at least he fights for what he believes in.

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QUOTE (MontyPython @ Apr 19 2013, 10:06 PM) *
No. It would be great to have a choice of CEO for WBC. Unfortunately we don't get that opportunity so we are left with the useless Nick Carter!


If the Councillors actually operated at the level they were supposed to, there is absolutely no need for a CEO.


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