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> Will You Be Giving Your Child The Swine Flu Jab ?, Proven to cause immunotoxicity, neurotoxicity, sterility and cancer
Jason_Tame
post Dec 1 2009, 03:05 PM
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Worshipful Andy, did you spell check ?
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post Dec 1 2009, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE (Jason_Tame @ Dec 1 2009, 02:07 PM) *
Doctors I know, don't take Vaccines smile.gif and neither do there children smile.gif

Firstly, name one with their contact details, as I doubt any proper, medically qualified doctor would not use a vaccine when necessary. I'd really like to speak to them to find out why they don't use vaccines.

Secondly you list a whole bunch of dreadful chemicals in the vaccines, but maybe you should research them a bit more. For instance Squalene is naturally occurring in the human body, and you'll get a bigger dose of it eating a Tuna sandwich than from a vaccine.

Thimerasol isn't used in vaccines in the UK and hasn't been in the US for nearly 10 years. PLUS the claimed link between Thimerasol and Autism touted by the anti-vax lobby has not been proved despite several years of Thimerasol-free data. This is pure out and out scare-mongering.

Thirdly, vaccines work primarily by protecting the population from a disease which stops it spreading and reduces its chance of mutating. This creates hurd immunity which means those people who are un-vaccinated are less at risk as there are less potential carriers. By not getting vaccinated you not only put yourself at risk, but you put all those around you at risk. Assessing risk and chance are not something humans are very good at. I recently saw someone buying cigarettes and a lottery ticket which to me shows the complete inability to sensibly guage the chance of winning the lottery (1:14,000,000) and the risk of dying from smoking (1:2). Your odds of getting a serious complication from a vaccine are low compared to your risk of dying which is somewhere between 1:1,000 to 1:10,000.

Is the vaccination 100% safe? Of course not, but nothing is. More people die whilst swimming than die from getting vaccinations, but would you stop taking your children swimming? You drive your kids to school but the risk of injury in an accident is about the same as from seasonal flu. Life isn't safe, but if I was in an aircraft and had a choice between an untested not 100% safe parachute or no parachute, I know which I'd chose.
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post Dec 1 2009, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE (Chesapeake @ Dec 1 2009, 02:39 PM) *
How could we honestly believe the rantings of someone who doesn't even know the difference between "there" and "their".

Your comments are far too generalistic. You may very well know this about a doctor or two but what sort of "doctor"? Don't put all doctors into the same group, they're all individuals with a right to their own opinions.



Hey Chesapeake,

How can we Believe you ? if you cannot spell apologizing?

If you want to play the silly spelling and grammer mistake game, make sure you don't throw stones from a glass house.



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Ok, Bloggo was decent enough to appologise but where is GMR, the original Mr Me-Me-Me?

Or would appologising be too much against his nature? Maybe the whole reason he comments on here is so that he can turn each thread into his very own discussion vehicle!


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post Dec 1 2009, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (Andy @ Dec 1 2009, 03:01 PM) *
Doesn't this just contradict what you've been arguing for? That's exactly what I've stated from the beginning.

I don't think it does contradict what I've said. My point is that politicians who call the shots, would do well to follow their own policies. Why should people believe those that might not.
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post Dec 1 2009, 03:20 PM
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Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system
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Jason_Tame
post Dec 1 2009, 03:22 PM
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Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.
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post Dec 1 2009, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (Jason_Tame @ Dec 1 2009, 03:05 PM) *
Worshipful Andy, did you spell check ?


No, I'm just intelligent and can spell.

But I apologise (not Apologize in the UK, as this is an Americanism) if I made any errors.


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post Dec 1 2009, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (Jason_Tame @ Dec 1 2009, 03:22 PM) *
Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.

Sorry but you're digging deeper in to woo-woo and non-science here. What is "good" and "bad" Squalene? It is a chemical compound; how it gets in to you is irrelevant as to how the body will deal with it. Whether you have it injected, sprayed or eat in on wholemeal with some Rocket. Secondly the evidence connecting Squalene to the Anthrax vaccine was disproved. But then GWS, really? Really? I think you are clutching at straws in an attempt to bury the agument in noise.

From what I have read the vaccine is doing what it is intended to do; prevent people from catching and spreading a virus which if left unchecked will kill thousands of people. Please read up on the 1918 influenza pandemic which killed between 50 and 100 million people. Swine Flu is not a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory; it's real. Please start taking it seriously.
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post Dec 1 2009, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (Jason_Tame @ Dec 1 2009, 03:22 PM) *
Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.


Hah! I saw this post after looking up Squalene on Wikipedia, where I read the following:

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however, the study concludes with the following statement: "It is important to note that our laboratory-based investigations do not establish that squalene was added as adjuvant to any vaccine used in military or other personnel who served in the Persian Gulf War era." A later study reported that many humans have squalene antibodies in their blood, regardless of whether or not they received squalene from a vaccination.


I know Wikipedia cannot be taken as 100% accurate, but I'd be careful about making statements that flatly contradict it.
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post Dec 1 2009, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (Andy @ Dec 1 2009, 03:46 PM) *
No, I'm just intelligent and can spell.

However, you did make one spelling mistake in that post. But I'm feeling generous today, and will let you off with a caution. biggrin.gif

Edit: Eek! I've just spotted a missing apostrophe, too! ohmy.gif
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post Dec 1 2009, 05:41 PM
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Personally I really don't think this will all matter too much.

Most of our children will kill themselves through drinking too much, smoking too much, taking too many illicit drugs or stabbing each other.

Kinda think a vaccine, no matter what it may or may not contain pales a little in comparison.....!!





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post Dec 1 2009, 06:49 PM
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I am mindful of the Polio vaccine which every child was given in the fifties. Fortunately, the internet was not around and parents saw it as a blessing that their child would be spared this dreadful and in those days common disease. The good news is that as a result Polio is now almost erradicated. There are others, smallpox for instance.

However, that said and although not a vaccine, the result of Thalidomide was a disaster.

You win some, you lose some.
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