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Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 7 2017, 06:26 AM

So in the recent NWN Q&A Benyon believes more foxes have suffered since the hunting act was introduced and he would vote to repeal the act.

What a terd.

Posted by: newres Jun 7 2017, 07:05 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 7 2017, 07:26 AM) *
So in the recent NWN Q&A Benyon believes more foxes have suffered since the hunting act was introduced and he would vote to repeal the act.

What a terd.

Agreed. Knob. With luck he'll lose his seat.

Posted by: gel Jun 7 2017, 07:39 AM

No doubt like Cameron he's fully paid up member of hunting & shooting fraternity.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 7 2017, 07:47 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 7 2017, 08:05 AM) *
Agreed. Knob. With luck he'll lose his seat.

Dream on.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Jun 7 2017, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 7 2017, 07:26 AM) *
So in the recent NWN Q&A Benyon believes more foxes have suffered since the hunting act was introduced and he would vote to repeal the act.

What a terd.

Fox hunting needs to be consigned to history.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 7 2017, 08:13 PM

Voting Lib Dem. I don't like them, but I am not voting for a fox hunter.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 7 2017, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 7 2017, 09:13 PM) *
Voting Lib Dem. I don't like them, but I am not voting for a fox hunter.


Where's Richard Pryor!!!!
Don't like Benyon. Worst kind of Tory.
The rest... Unelectable.
Will vote. May be a spoilt paper for the 1st time in my life.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Jun 7 2017, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 7 2017, 09:13 PM) *
Voting Lib Dem. I don't like them, but I am not voting for a fox hunter.

Last I heard Bunting was saying that she had not dismissed the possibility of abstaining on a vote. Has she said more definitively that she opposes fox hunting? Labour's Skirvin is very much opposed to fox hunting, as is Field, the Green candidate.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 7 2017, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 7 2017, 10:01 PM) *
Last I heard Bunting was saying that she had not dismissed the possibility of abstaining on a vote. Has she said more definitively that she opposes fox hunting? Labour's Skirvin is very much opposed to fox hunting, as is Field, the Green candidate.

Mine is based the best possibly way I might vote to avoid an overwhelming tory victory. We don't need a labour victory, just not a strong tory one. Although I feel that is what is coming.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 7 2017, 10:31 PM

Fox and chips, wonder if I can hunt them using a range rover? Now that'll be fun! 🐺. I can hang the tails off the rear wiper. Start a new fashion. 🙌. All da ladees be like. 💏. I be like 💃 might see if I can organise leagues an get it televised. Sorted, where me keys an me lamp.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 7 2017, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 7 2017, 11:31 PM) *
Fox and chips, wonder if I can hunt them using a range rover? Now that'll be fun! 🐺. I can hang the tails off the rear wiper. Start a new fashion. 🙌. All da ladees be like. 💏. I be like 💃 might see if I can organise leagues an get it televised. Sorted, where me keys an me lamp.

I doubt your shiny Vogue will ever get beyond 5 degrees, let alone muddy. 😋

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 7 2017, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 7 2017, 11:37 PM) *
I doubt your shiny Vogue will ever get beyond 5 degrees, let alone muddy. ��

Sport buddy, sport. Its not for getting muddy, its for driving past Aldi and Lidl, show the feckless what they might of got instead of spending their dole money on pizza an special brew. Ahh, good times. Can I interest you in some nice fox fur? Make a nice coat for de missus.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 8 2017, 01:10 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 7 2017, 11:43 PM) *
Sport buddy, sport. Its not for getting muddy, its for driving past Aldi and Lidl, show the feckless what they might of got instead of spending their dole money on pizza an special brew. Ahh, good times. Can I interest you in some nice fox fur? Make a nice coat for de missus.



Great days to be had. The bracing air of the morning, the smell of horsesh1t and antifa masked morons who claim to be lovely cuddly people, yet get violent if you stop their benfits. Yep, just the days for me.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 8 2017, 05:34 AM

Make sure your gate operates properly and your CCTV is set to record.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 8 2017, 07:46 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 8 2017, 06:34 AM) *
Make sure your gate operates properly and your CCTV is set to record.


...another reason why we need a Labour government. If we do, the hunt supporters have said they'd leave the Country.

Posted by: Berkshirelad Jun 8 2017, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 7 2017, 11:43 PM) *
Sport buddy, sport. Its not for getting muddy, its for driving past Aldi and Lidl, show the feckless what they might of got instead of spending their dole money on pizza an special brew. Ahh, good times. Can I interest you in some nice fox fur? Make a nice coat for de missus.



Not a real Range Rover then; just a re-bodied Discovery

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 09:29 AM

QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Jun 8 2017, 10:01 AM) *
Not a real Range Rover then; just a re-bodied Discovery

Oh, ok then, its a £75k disco. I bow to your (obviously) Superior knowledge.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 8 2017, 06:34 AM) *
Make sure your gate operates properly and your CCTV is set to record.

So you can get some nice shots as I drive in fluttering me wad at da camera. Ha Range Rover rules, ford just drools.

Posted by: newres Jun 8 2017, 10:36 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 10:29 AM) *
Oh, ok then, its a £75k disco. I bow to your (obviously) Superior knowledge.

With a broken radio. tongue.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 10:41 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 8 2017, 11:36 AM) *
With a broken radio. tongue.gif

👍

Posted by: On the edge Jun 8 2017, 10:49 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 10:54 AM) *
So you can get some nice shots as I drive in fluttering me wad at da camera. Ha Range Rover rules, ford just drools.


Range Rover? oh come on je suis, our copier man has just got one because its better than his Beema for all the bulky bits he has to carry.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 10:55 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 8 2017, 11:49 AM) *
Range Rover? oh come on je suis, our copier man has just got one because its better than his Beema for all the bulky bits he has to carry.

Yeah rite! Still when it's a couple of years old I can give mine to the gardener.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 8 2017, 11:30 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 11:55 AM) *
Yeah rite! Still when it's a couple of years old I can give mine to the gardener.


Got to hand it to you, I wondered why a Land Rover; as tax scams go, it's almost legit! No wonder you don't want Labour shoving up the minimum wage.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 11:35 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 8 2017, 12:30 PM) *
Got to hand it to you, I wondered why a Land Rover; as tax scams go, it's almost legit! No wonder you don't want Labour shoving up the minimum wage.

Silly boy, it's known as 'creative accounting'. 💰

Posted by: Berkshirelad Jun 9 2017, 12:22 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 10:29 AM) *
Oh, ok then, its a £75k disco. I bow to your (obviously) Superior knowledge.


Not superior knowledge; just ownership of the full-fat gas guzzler version

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 12:47 PM

QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Jun 9 2017, 01:22 PM) *
Not superior knowledge; just ownership of the full-fat gas guzzler version

That sounds interesting, what is it you drive?

Posted by: newres Jun 9 2017, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 9 2017, 01:47 PM) *
That sounds interesting, what is it you drive?

He may not feel the need to brag about his wealth. Not everyone does.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2017, 04:22 PM) *
He may not feel the need to brag about his wealth. Not everyone does.

I was just asking out of interest, still sore are we? Just remember "there's no honour in driving a ford".

Posted by: newres Jun 9 2017, 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 9 2017, 04:31 PM) *
I was just asking out of interest, still sore are we? Just remember "there's no honour in driving a ford".

I'd rather judge people on their intelligence than the car they drive. Usually the only thing that can be judged about people that brag about their car is that their ***** size very likely to be diminutive. Also, if someone happens to know the model number of the current Mercedes E class, I think we can determine a lot about that person's personality.

Grammar's important too. Ford is a noun.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 9 2017, 06:10 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2017, 06:36 PM) *
Grammar's important too: Ford is a proper noun.

tongue.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 9 2017, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2017, 06:36 PM) *
I'd rather judge people on their intelligence than the car they drive. Usually the only thing that can be judged about people that brag about their car is that their ***** size very likely to be diminutive. Also, if someone happens to know the model number of the current Mercedes E class, I think we can determine a lot about that person's personality.

Grammar's important too. Ford is a noun.

I see that having an interest and knowledge of cars is soon to be a crime under Labour then? You really are a sad little man newres. Sad.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 06:56 PM

Newres, starting fights in phone boxes since 1984 "The old firm" 😵

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2017, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2017, 07:45 PM) *
I see that having an interest and knowledge of cars is soon to be a crime under Labour then? You really are a sad little man newres. Sad.


Leave newres alone. The second coming of JC will have to wait. Unless he crokes b4hand. He is a bit old now....
Anyway May is now in bed with the DUP. Just waiting for Jesus Christ, I mean Jeremy Corbyn to criticise fraternisation with ex terrorist organisations.... laugh.gif

Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2017, 07:45 PM) *
I see that having an interest and knowledge of cars is soon to be a crime under Labour then? You really are a sad little man newres. Sad.


That's utter rubbish Je Suis and you know it, it's not interest and knowledge of cars to be made a crime, just ownership. Buy a bike; whilst you can.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 08:58 PM) *
That's utter rubbish Je Suis and you know it, it's not interest and knowledge of cars to be made a crime, just ownership. Buy a bike; whilst you can.

Got one, in the garage. Honda CBR.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 11 2017, 09:41 AM

Forgive my ignorance but what has the make/model of transport parked in the drive have to do with fox hunting ?
I profess to knowing very little about boxes on rubber wheels but I do have a wider insight into the " the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable " pastime .
In days of yore the landed gentry divided quite happily between the shooting fraternity , who slaughtered every fox in the vicinity so as to raise copious amounts of game birds for the sole purpose of .... shooting them , and the hunting brigade who sought to facilitate the breeding of as many numbers of Vulpes vulpes as possible , for the dubious pleasure of chasing them across a muddy field whilst astride a large piece of horse meat . This " quaint " rural idiosyncrasy existed side by side quite happily, until some left wing activist who probably did not know a fox from a feasant ( sic ), thought it would kick the idle rich in the nether regions by abolishing it .
So £millions of tax payers money was poured into producing a situation where it is illegal to chase a fox with a pack of dogs but not to chase after your dogs who just happen to be chasing a fox . Bloody absurd !!!!
If you wish to prevent animal cruelty then look closer to home .

More wildlife , of all species , are slaughtered on our roads than all the other reasons combined but any suggestion of the automobile being abolished would be met with hoots of derision .
Thank you for the opportunity to express my view , you may now return to the relative safety of your respective 4x4s.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 10:09 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 10:41 AM) *
Forgive my ignorance but what has the make/model of transport parked in the drive have to do with fox hunting ?
I profess to knowing very little about boxes on rubber wheels but I do have a wider insight into the " the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable " pastime .
In days of yore the landed gentry divided quite happily between the shooting fraternity , who slaughtered every fox in the vicinity so as to raise copious amounts of game birds for the sole purpose of .... shooting them , and the hunting brigade who sought to facilitate the breeding of as many numbers of Vulpes vulpes as possible , for the dubious pleasure of chasing them across a muddy field whilst astride a large piece of horse meat . This " quaint " rural idiosyncrasy existed side by side quite happily, until some left wing activist who probably did not know a fox from a feasant ( sic ), thought it would kick the idle rich in the nether regions by abolishing it .
So £millions of tax payers money was poured into producing a situation where it is illegal to chase a fox with a pack of dogs but not to chase after your dogs who just happen to be chasing a fox . Bloody absurd !!!!
If you wish to prevent animal cruelty then look closer to home .

More wildlife , of all species , are slaughtered on our roads than all the other reasons combined but any suggestion of the automobile being abolished would be met with hoots of derision .
Thank you for the opportunity to express my view , you may now return to the relative safety of your respective 4x4s.

And why, is there not more outcry regarding the continued slaughter of Mr Badger?

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 11 2017, 10:33 AM

The position of any particular cruel activity on a cruelty scale, doesn't in my view mean that it should be permisable. That is to say, how cruel an activity is compared to another doesn't justify it.

I see the hunting bill as a class war bill, but that doesn't mean it wasn't credible; however, I do agree there are bigger issues reguards animal welfare than hunting with hounds.

Posted by: Cognosco Jun 11 2017, 10:36 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 11 2017, 11:33 AM) *
The position of any particular cruel activity on a cruelty scale, doesn't in my view mean that it should be permisable. That is to say, how cruel an activity is compared to another doesn't justify it.

I see the hunting bill as a class war bill, but that doesn't mean it wasn't credible; however, I do agree there are bigger issues reguards animal welfare than hunting with hounds.


It may be a good thing St. Theresa was given a bloody nose or we may have ended up with the Tories bringing back hunting the Peasants again! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 10:49 AM

Thought for today.
Instead of foxes, why not hunt Corbyn clones? Seriously, clone a whole bunch in some vats, dress them in corduroy give them a boring whiney voice and set them loose! Great fun. Any that escape can, like peasants (sorry, meant of course Pheasants). go feral in the woods and headlands.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 10:41 AM) *
Forgive my ignorance but what has the make/model of transport parked in the drive have to do with fox hunting ?
I profess to knowing very little about boxes on rubber wheels but I do have a wider insight into the " the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable " pastime .
In days of yore the landed gentry divided quite happily between the shooting fraternity , who slaughtered every fox in the vicinity so as to raise copious amounts of game birds for the sole purpose of .... shooting them , and the hunting brigade who sought to facilitate the breeding of as many numbers of Vulpes vulpes as possible , for the dubious pleasure of chasing them across a muddy field whilst astride a large piece of horse meat . This " quaint " rural idiosyncrasy existed side by side quite happily, until some left wing activist who probably did not know a fox from a feasant ( sic ), thought it would kick the idle rich in the nether regions by abolishing it .
So £millions of tax payers money was poured into producing a situation where it is illegal to chase a fox with a pack of dogs but not to chase after your dogs who just happen to be chasing a fox . Bloody absurd !!!!
If you wish to prevent animal cruelty then look closer to home .

More wildlife , of all species , are slaughtered on our roads than all the other reasons combined but any suggestion of the automobile being abolished would be met with hoots of derision .
Thank you for the opportunity to express my view , you may now return to the relative safety of your respective 4x4s.


Much the same could be said of former townie sports like bear bateing, c0ck fighting etc. Presumably, you and the farming community also resent the cost of stunning your livestock when it is sent for slaughter?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 01:28 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 01:38 PM) *
Much the same could be said of former townie sports like bear bateing, c0ck fighting etc. Presumably, you and the farming community also resent the cost of stunning your livestock when it is sent for slaughter?


No need to worry about stunning. If its Ok for one community its Ok for the British farmer.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 02:28 PM) *
No need to worry about stunning. If its Ok for one community its Ok for the British farmer.


Worrying, you are seeing every problem in terms of Islam, it's taking a hold TDH!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 02:11 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:08 PM) *
Worrying, you are seeing every problem in terms of Islam, it's taking a hold TDH!


Who mentioned Islam? Not me. Do you defend this particular practice then?

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 02:20 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 03:11 PM) *
Who mentioned Islam? Not me. Do you defend this particular practice then?


Oh come on TDH! Of course you didn't .....directly.

No I don't condone or defend the practice and to register that joined a group lobbying ministers to get it stopped. Have you? Ironic that the NFU have been arguing about penny returns on milk production but keep quiet about this potential cost saving.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 11 2017, 02:27 PM

As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 02:30 PM

One of the worst things was to ban local slaughter, animals now get packed into trucks in the most appalling conditions only to end their suffering all too often at the hands of some petty little sadist.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 03:27 PM) *
As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .


Yeah but Cats are cute to the townie. And foxes.. No fooking clue. The lot. They all want to live in Corbynland. A fantasy land. He is a marxist. Always will be. If he gets in the Country will be like Zimbabwe within a few years.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 02:38 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 03:27 PM) *
As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .



So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:38 PM) *
So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

What's a bourbon car? Sounds delicious, is it a special labour thing? Like "this lane reserved for bourbons only". What will the French say? So many questions, so few answers.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 04:50 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 03:43 PM) *
What's a bourbon car? Sounds delicious, is it a special labour thing? Like "this lane reserved for bourbons only". What will the French say? So many questions, so few answers.


Absolutley! Sadly a rather simple answer, just the wretched automatic checker coming up with 'bourbon' for 'our own'.

(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! tongue.gif )

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 11 2017, 05:13 PM


(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! tongue.gif )
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Conspiracy theory leads one to conclude that if we educate the masses to a level that encompasses simple spelling then they are more likely to question such heady topics as :- why are politicians allowed to breed let alone run a Country ?

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 05:56 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 06:13 PM) *
(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! tongue.gif )



Conspiracy theory leads one to conclude that if we educate the masses to a level that encompasses simple spelling then they are more likely to question such heady topics as :- why are politicians allowed to breed let alone run a Country ?



Well, that might seem odd, but politicians don't run the Country. The country is actually run by the Prime Minister wholly on her own, helped only by stroppy PA and a Graduate researcher. Everything is her decision and responsibility, no one else is involved.

NOTE ironically, there have been a lot of media reports, including on the BBC where politicians, particularly sensible Tory ones' are saying this.


Posted by: Biker1 Jun 11 2017, 05:58 PM

OTE is correct when he says that the issue is "hunting for fun".
Whether foxes or other wild animals need controlling is a separate issue.
To unearth and then pursue a wild animal to a horrible death in the name of "sport" in the supposedly enlightened 21st Century is unacceptable.
It's all about money and social climbing.
If you want to help to keep this barbaric practice banned (well illegal!)and to bring about further bans on other cruel "sports" lookhttps://www.league.org.uk/.
I'll give you one pertinent quote from the site.....
"Foxes are also captured by hunts and kept in ‘artificial earths’ or disused buildings, so they can then be released in front of the hounds during the hunt. This proves that fox hunting is nothing to do with ‘fox control’ or ‘wildlife management’, as the hunts claim, and is purely about providing sport for the hunters."

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 11 2017, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 06:56 PM) *
Well, that might seem odd, but politicians don't run the Country. The country is actually run by the Prime Minister wholly on her own, helped only by stroppy PA and a Graduate researcher. Everything is her decision and responsibility, no one else is involved.

NOTE ironically, there have been a lot of media reports, including on the BBC where politicians, particularly sensible Tory ones' are saying this.


I stand corrected . One learns something new on an almost daily basis . Thank you for the enlightenment .

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:38 PM) *
So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

The image of a bunch of West Berkshire's finest floundering around a muddy field, armed, scratching​ their heads and wondering when the pizza season started is somehow appealing and worrying at one and the same time. 🤣

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 07:30 PM) *
I stand corrected . One learns something new on an almost daily basis . Thank you for the enlightenment .


Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?


Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 08:51 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?

Who? Labour? Deffo not.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 09:08 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 11 2017, 09:51 PM) *
Who? Labour? Deffo not.


No dearest, all those TORY MPs coming forward saying Mrs May 'did it all on her own' she simply wouldn't listen to any of them.....in other words, not a lot of point in them even being there at all.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 12 2017, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?


How long has it taken you to reach this conclusion ? Anyone who is arrogant enough to stand for election should be prevented doing so on the grounds of questionable mentality .
The "alternative" though is even worse .
1 President May / Corbyn / Other ?
2. King / Queen having absolute power .
3 Military Junta .
4 Angela Merkel .
5. ISIS
6.Me
7.Other.
My problem is not the competence of those who court our support but the sycophantic grovelling of their respective supporters who wrap themselves round the leg of the top table in order to receive a crumb of acknowledgement and so keep them in power .
The Greeks tried democracy and chucked it in the bin after a couple of years because it didn't work . The problem is no one , even after 3,000 years ,has developed a viable alternative .

Posted by: On the edge Jun 12 2017, 01:04 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2017, 12:36 PM) *
How long has it taken you to reach this conclusion ? Anyone who is arrogant enough to stand for election should be prevented doing so on the grounds of questionable mentality .
The "alternative" though is even worse .
1 President May / Corbyn / Other ?
2. King / Queen having absolute power .
3 Military Junta .
4 Angela Merkel .
5. ISIS
6.Me
7.Other.
My problem is not the competence of those who court our support but the sycophantic grovelling of their respective supporters who wrap themselves round the leg of the top table in order to receive a crumb of acknowledgement and so keep them in power .
The Greeks tried democracy and chucked it in the bin after a couple of years because it didn't work . The problem is no one , even after 3,000 years ,has developed a viable alternative .


As someone often says on this Forum, we deserve what we get.

Posted by: newres Jun 12 2017, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 11 2017, 09:51 PM) *
Who? Labour? Deffo not.

I genuinely believe Labour would do a better job at the moment. I don't trust them on the economy, in particular their polarised view of employer/employee. Employers bad, employees good, but I reckon even with that, they will do less damage than May will with her Brexit stance. I met a lady of 82 today who's voted Conservative all her life but voted Lib dem last week because of Brexit.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 12 2017, 04:23 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 12 2017, 05:14 PM) *
I genuinely believe Labour would do a better job at the moment. I don't trust them on the economy, in particular their polarised view of employer/employee. Employers bad, employees good, but I reckon even with that, they will do less damage than May will with her Brexit stance. I met a lady of 82 today who's voted Conservative all her life but voted Lib dem last week because of Brexit.


Wouldn't disagree with that. Sadly the Unions are still being somewhat Luddite. The Ger an example where workers actually sit on boards is far better. Ironically, much more socialist because it treats workers as stakeholders rather than simply wage serfs. Maintaining that combative position means arguably the Unions are supporting the repression of the workers.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 12 2017, 06:49 PM

Hope the good Lord Buckethead gets a candidate to stand in Newbury at the next election.

His manifesto (worth a read) makes far more sense than either of Labours, the Tories or the Lib Dems.

Vote Buckethead!!!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 12 2017, 07:03 PM

The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 12 2017, 07:15 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2017, 08:03 PM) *
The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system


JC or the Messiah as he is also known will actually be a bit worried. His manifesto was written with the knowledge he couldn't win. His next one will have to be written with the mindset that he may win. And that will create problems for him. He's also far happier as the leader of a protest movement. He wouldn't be happy being in charge.

Posted by: The Hatter Jun 12 2017, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2017, 08:03 PM) *
The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system


Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.

Posted by: blackdog Jun 13 2017, 07:13 AM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Jun 12 2017, 09:06 PM) *
Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.


PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2017, 08:15 AM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 13 2017, 08:13 AM) *
PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.



Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2017, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2017, 09:15 AM) *
Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .


No I don't know either , maybe I meant the SNP ..........Senility is a bugger !!!

Posted by: The Hatter Jun 13 2017, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2017, 09:15 AM) *
Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .


People didn't want the LibDem coalition and moaned about it. We got a Conservative government with majority and still they moaned about it. We now have a Conservative government without a majority and still the moaning goes on. What do you want a Labour government? I'd like to see a LibDem/Labour/SNP government, it seems like the only real alternative.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2017, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Jun 13 2017, 11:48 AM) *
People didn't want the LibDem coalition and moaned about it. We got a Conservative government with majority and still they moaned about it. We now have a Conservative government without a majority and still the moaning goes on. What do you want a Labour government? I'd like to see a LibDem/Labour/SNP government, it seems like the only real alternative.


But that only amounts to 309 seats . 9 short of the present incumbents . Which ever way you cut it the Ulster boys hold sway .
Both Conservative and Labour increased their number of votes , mainly at the expense of UKIP , so I very much doubt if the outcome would change if we repeated the wretched process next week .
Like the EU farce the populace will never be happy with the outcome . Like they say " you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time " ...........But you can try .

Posted by: On the edge Jun 13 2017, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2017, 09:15 AM) *
Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .


Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

Posted by: The Hatter Jun 13 2017, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 03:55 PM) *
Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....


A lot of the people I work with feel that way about Labour. One lady who is usually ax staunch LibDem says she thinks if they agree on most things and if they'd had a proper alliance with Labour the result would have been different.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 13 2017, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 03:55 PM) *
Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....


Yep. Turkey's voting for Christmas.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2017, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 03:55 PM) *
Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....



To say the DUP are Tories is rather like suggesting that Attila the Hun was a Seventh Day Evangelist in drag .( Other religions are , I am reliably informed , available ).
I agree quite a few of the 1922 club would like to follow a more right wing strategy but even they know their limitations .
The crazy part of the whole episode is that a party with 10 MPs can dictate to one with 318 and restrict the views of one with 262 .
That's democracy folks .

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 13 2017, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 03:55 PM) *
Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories;

Tick, tick, tick.....

Didn't stop Brown having nice long cosy chats with them, did it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 13 2017, 08:58 PM


#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂

Posted by: On the edge Jun 13 2017, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 13 2017, 09:07 PM) *
Didn't stop Brown having nice long cosy chats with them, did it.


Of course it didn't any more than Vincie from the LibDems 'had chats'. That's what coalitions are supposed to be about! Not like Cleggy ones, where you have to put on the same clothes.

Fact; Conservatives are Conservative and Unionist party. Conservatives don't like being reminded about their right wing bed partners any more than Labour, who used to get stroppy when anyone mentions Co-op, but at least they only run shops these days.

I can see what TDH finds do funny now. Its like a live Monty Python.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 13 2017, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 09:58 PM) *
#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂


No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 13 2017, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2017, 08:50 PM) *
To say the DUP are Tories is rather like suggesting that Attila the Hun was a Seventh Day Evangelist in drag .( Other religions are , I am reliably informed , available ).
I agree quite a few of the 1922 club would like to follow a more right wing strategy but even they know their limitations .
The crazy part of the whole episode is that a party with 10 MPs can dictate to one with 318 and restrict the views of one with 262 .
That's democracy folks .



What's wrong with that? A few days back, the Tories were claiming that one Woman MP could and was dictating to a party with a reasonable majority! Was Mrs M a DUP sleeper all along laugh.gif

Posted by: The Hatter Jun 13 2017, 09:29 PM

I had a boss who always claimed he'd triple his salary if he went to the States. When we got taken over by a US firm, he was one of the first to get the chop.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 13 2017, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 10:19 PM) *
No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.


Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 13 2017, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreign property are good bets.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 13 2017, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2017, 12:02 AM) *
Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreigners property are good bets.

Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 14 2017, 05:45 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 12:55 AM) *
Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 14 2017, 05:55 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 12:55 AM) *
Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 14 2017, 06:53 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2017, 06:55 AM) *
Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯

"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 14 2017, 07:00 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 07:53 AM) *
"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"

Whatever makes you happy, try buying groceries with a grin though.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 14 2017, 08:09 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 07:53 AM) *
"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"



Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .

Posted by: On the edge Jun 14 2017, 08:44 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.


Clearly you haven't.

Actually, it's one of my worries. All these 'rich Tories' emigrating and our international reputation plummets. Do you really think Canada or New Zealand wants hordes of miserly old codgers with a sense of entitlement flooding in, swamping their services with all their demands yet not wanting to contribute much save a bit of cash? No, I'd rather have the young and fit we could get in return who are willing to do even menial tasks to help us move forward.

Seriously, liquidate your assets and join your fellow travellers, with our blessing and hope that the wadge lasts long enough.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 14 2017, 09:00 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 14 2017, 09:09 AM) *
Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .


In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 14 2017, 12:44 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 14 2017, 10:00 AM) *
In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.


On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .


Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 14 2017, 01:19 PM

I'd just say that there but for the grace of God go I. I find selfishness will always be recognisable by most and being well off when all around are not, is not as much fun as it sounds.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 14 2017, 02:17 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 14 2017, 01:44 PM) *
On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .


Lovely society we aspire to eh?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 15 2017, 08:14 AM

Ahh, the democratic process,. Labours vision.

"John McDonnell has urged unions to mobilise a million people 'on to the streets' in a bid to oust Theresa May.
The shadow chancellor - who has previously praised London rioters and backed 'insurrection' against the government - said a march would help increase pressure on the Prime Minister.
Left-wing groups are plotting a protest in the capital on July 1 demanding that Mrs May step aside from power - despite the Tories still being by far the largest party in the Commons after the election. "

Posted by: On the edge Jun 15 2017, 09:37 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 09:14 AM) *
Ahh, the democratic process,. Labours vision.

"John McDonnell has urged unions to mobilise a million people 'on to the streets' in a bid to oust Theresa May.
The shadow chancellor - who has previously praised London rioters and backed 'insurrection' against the government - said a march would help increase pressure on the Prime Minister.
Left-wing groups are plotting a protest in the capital on July 1 demanding that Mrs May step aside from power - despite the Tories still being by far the largest party in the Commons after the election. "


........and?

Sorry, but people have always taken to the streets to protest against things they don't like which the majority do. Countryside Alliance and the All in it together Remainers being other examples.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 15 2017, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 15 2017, 10:37 AM) *
........and?

Sorry, but people have always taken to the streets to protest against things they don't like which the majority do. Countryside Alliance and the All in it together Remainers being other examples.

Ah, so using the unions to support insurrection on the capitals streets is a good thing. So sorry, should have read JC's little red book earlier.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 15 2017, 05:07 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 02:09 PM) *
Ah, so using the unions to support insurrection on the capitals streets is a good thing. So sorry, should have read JC's little red book earlier.

More hysterical rightie cooblers.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 15 2017, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 06:07 PM) *
More hysterical rightie cooblers.

Or is it? The truth is out there. Still All Hail King of Cord!

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 15 2017, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 07:06 PM) *
Or is it? The truth is out there. Still All Hail King of Cord!

Hail no-one, you are twisting the truth.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 15 2017, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 07:06 PM) *
Or is it? The truth is out there. Still All Hail King of Cord!


Really? So you think the Countryside Alliance 'bring back hunting brigade' and the LibbyDem 'please let us stay' marches are Commie inspired do you. Might be worth you hitching up with TDH and taking off together. Greece is quite nice, lots of cheap property and used to be very right wing?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 15 2017, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 15 2017, 09:12 PM) *
Really? So you think the Countryside Alliance 'bring back hunting brigade' and the LibbyDem 'please let us stay' marches are Commie inspired do you. Might be worth you hitching up with TDH and taking off together. Greece is quite nice, lots of cheap property and used to be very right wing?


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Greece? Nah. I told you. Bahamas.

I'll leave you to JC and la la land.

GUARANTEE you he will win the GE. I think its great. Im voting for him. I want him to win. 👍

Posted by: On the edge Jun 15 2017, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 09:41 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Greece? Nah. I told you. Bahamas.

I'll leave you to JC and la la land.

GUARANTEE you he will win the GE. I think its great. Im voting for him. I want him to win. 👍


I'd be rather more cautious if I were you, I thought entrepreneurs only put money on a certainty. Sure, Labour are likely to win.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 15 2017, 11:16 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 07:46 PM) *
Hail no-one, you are twisting the truth.

The truth is the truth. Doesn't need twisting.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 15 2017, 11:20 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 09:41 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Greece? Nah. I told you. Bahamas.

I'll leave you to JC and la la land.

GUARANTEE you he will win the GE. I think its great. Im voting for him. I want him to win. 👍

I'm doing what the yoof of today do, simply look at who's gonna give me the most free stuff, take it and run and stuff everybody else! Its a great system. Labour love it. Perks for the many, not the few! Come on in TDH! The state sponsored waters luvly!

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 15 2017, 11:58 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 12:16 AM) *
The truth is the truth. Doesn't need twisting.

Agreed.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 16 2017, 06:44 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 12:20 AM) *
I'm doing what the yoof of today do, simply look at who's gonna give me the most free stuff, take it and run and stuff everybody else! Its a great system. Labour love it. Perks for the many, not the few! Come on in TDH! The state sponsored waters luvly!


You ought to get out a little more Charlie boy, not too many 'yoofs' in the Con Club Bar these days. Just check, very little dark hair on show!

Having now risked life and limb at various exhibitions and such like where this 'lost generation' appear in great number, you'd be surprised at what they think. Guess who they believe are the greedy rip off merchants with a sense of entitlement? Their youthful rebellion looks aghast at our generation, who they believe have thrown away opportunity after opportunity because our thought process rarely extends beyond counting how many notes we will get out of the next deal. You'll have no issue with that I'm sure; but remember, they are going to choose what your care home is like. Jeremy Corbyn is simply a herald.

Seriously, there might be just time to cut an run, go whilst you can!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 09:48 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 16 2017, 07:44 AM) *
You ought to get out a little more Charlie boy, not too many 'yoofs' in the Con Club Bar these days. Just check, very little dark hair on show!

Having now risked life and limb at various exhibitions and such like where this 'lost generation' appear in great number, you'd be surprised at what they think. Guess who they believe are the greedy rip off merchants with a sense of entitlement? Their youthful rebellion looks aghast at our generation, who they believe have thrown away opportunity after opportunity because our thought process rarely extends beyond counting how many notes we will get out of the next deal. You'll have no issue with that I'm sure; but remember, they are going to choose what your care home is like. Jeremy Corbyn is simply a herald.

Seriously, there might be just time to cut an run, go whilst you can!

Naw mate, look again, what your looking at is a bunch of malcontents. Wait till they've bin to uni, moved up a pay grade or two, got a nice car and started going down the local and bragging about how much more their house is worth now. Look again, what you can see is the next wave of Tories. 🤣. Do you REALLY think there's any thing different this time round ? Every few years this happens, you get someone who promises 'da yoof' the world and they think "it's all gonna be different now! Yippee!" But people always revert to type. Always. They're not interested in 'The many' they're interested in them! What they might get out of it, nothing more. Greed is good, greed drives ambition, greed is what makes us get out of bed, greed is why we want to strive to do better, to provide better things for the family, to get a bigger house, in a nicer area, where the kids feel safer. It's history, sweet and simple. It always happens. Voting Labour is a rite of passage for everyone, then you grow up.
It's like a small child who sees a glittering pebble on a beach, the child screams and kicks it's chubby little legs till it's allowed to crawl over and pick it up, the child picks it up, plays with it, maybe even put it in its mouth. But eventually it's just another pebble, like the rest, the child drops it, loses interest and crawls back. That is young people voting labour, it's a generational​ thing. No sweat. Normal service will be resumed.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 16 2017, 10:47 AM

Greed is not good. Greed is what follows in the wake of necessity. Security is what makes us do the things you say. Greed is why we have waste and why we need regulation.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 16 2017, 10:49 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 10:48 AM) *
Naw mate, look again, what your looking at is a bunch of malcontents. Wait till they've bin to uni, moved up a pay grade or two, got a nice car and started going down the local and bragging about how much more their house is worth now. Look again, what you can see is the next wave of Tories. 🤣. Do you REALLY think there's any thing different this time round ? Every few years this happens, you get someone who promises 'da yoof' the world and they think "it's all gonna be different now! Yippee!" But people always revert to type. Always. They're not interested in 'The many' they're interested in them! What they might get out of it, nothing more. Greed is good, greed drives ambition, greed is what makes us get out of bed, greed is why we want to strive to do better, to provide better things for the family, to get a bigger house, in a nicer area, where the kids feel safer. It's history, sweet and simple. It always happens. Voting Labour is a rite of passage for everyone, then you grow up.
It's like a small child who sees a glittering pebble on a beach, the child screams and kicks it's chubby little legs till it's allowed to crawl over and pick it up, the child picks it up, plays with it, maybe even put it in its mouth. But eventually it's just another pebble, like the rest, the child drops it, loses interest and crawls back. That is young people voting labour, it's a generational​ thing. No sweat. Normal service will be resumed.


....so then, where is this better house, nicer area, place where the kids feel safe that greed delivers?



Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 10:55 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 16 2017, 11:49 AM) *
....so then, where is this better house, nicer area, place where the kids feel safe that greed delivers?

I can give you a few tips if you like? You know, get you started? 😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 16 2017, 11:42 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 16 2017, 11:47 AM) *
Greed is not good. Greed is what follows in the wake of necessity. Security is what makes us do the things you say. Greed is why we have waste and why we need regulation.


Is not greed a by product ot Thatcherism ? A doctrine successive governments have tried to emulate since her timely fall from grace .
It is the intrinsic attribute of the species to improve their lot at any cost . If our evolution had been at the same pace as most animals we would still be gathering nuts and being chased by big cats . Maybe we should accept the fact that some will have and some will not as a principal of progression , however unacceptable this may be to most .

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 16 2017, 12:35 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 16 2017, 12:42 PM) *
Is not greed a by product ot Thatcherism ? A doctrine successive governments have tried to emulate since her timely fall from grace .
It is the intrinsic attribute of the species to improve their lot at any cost . If our evolution had been at the same pace as most animals we would still be gathering nuts and being chased by big cats . Maybe we should accept the fact that some will have and some will not as a principal of progression , however unacceptable this may be to most .

No, greed is not a Thatcherite invention; that's a myth. Of course evolution has a part to play, but it would be naive to think that being cash rich proves superiority.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 16 2017, 02:11 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 16 2017, 01:35 PM) *
No, greed is not a Thatcherite invention; that's a myth. Of course evolution has a part to play, but it would be naive to think that being cash rich proves superiority.


,
Though I can honestly say I am not , nor ever have been, a card carrying deity supporter I do have a soft spot for the adage :-

" If you want to know what god thinks of money take a look at the clowns he gave it to " .

In other words that nonexistent element called luck plays a big part .

Posted by: On the edge Jun 16 2017, 02:48 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 11:55 AM) *
I can give you a few tips if you like? You know, get you started? 😂


Err, no need to worry. I'd rather live next door to people with the usual number of fingers thanks! tongue.gif

However, you have given me a great commercial idea to redress the problem landlord issue. It satisfies me and fits your philosophy like a glove.

Posted by: blackdog Jun 16 2017, 03:09 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 16 2017, 12:42 PM) *
Is not greed a by product ot Thatcherism ? A doctrine successive governments have tried to emulate since her timely fall from grace .
It is the intrinsic attribute of the species to improve their lot at any cost . If our evolution had been at the same pace as most animals we would still be gathering nuts and being chased by big cats . Maybe we should accept the fact that some will have and some will not as a principal of progression , however unacceptable this may be to most .


Greed is nothing new, but Thatcherism (Reaganism/monetarism) does seem to have made it more acceptable and to have done a lot to encourage us to break everything down in monetary terms - now everything has a price if you can figure out a way to exploit it.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 16 2017, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 16 2017, 04:09 PM) *
Greed is nothing new, but Thatcherism (Reaganism/monetarism) does seem to have made it more acceptable and to have done a lot to encourage us to break everything down in monetary terms - now everything has a price if you can figure out a way to exploit it.

I never saw it like that. Monetarism is broadly about financial stability. Greed comes from the greedy but gullible providing a money stream for the prudent but sometimes greedy.

Posted by: newres Jun 16 2017, 04:19 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 10:48 AM) *
Naw mate, look again, what your looking at is a bunch of malcontents. Wait till they've bin to uni, moved up a pay grade or two, got a nice car and started going down the local and bragging about how much more their house is worth now. Look again, what you can see is the next wave of Tories. 🤣. Do you REALLY think there's any thing different this time round ? Every few years this happens, you get someone who promises 'da yoof' the world and they think "it's all gonna be different now! Yippee!" But people always revert to type. Always. They're not interested in 'The many' they're interested in them! What they might get out of it, nothing more. Greed is good, greed drives ambition, greed is what makes us get out of bed, greed is why we want to strive to do better, to provide better things for the family, to get a bigger house, in a nicer area, where the kids feel safer. It's history, sweet and simple. It always happens. Voting Labour is a rite of passage for everyone, then you grow up.
It's like a small child who sees a glittering pebble on a beach, the child screams and kicks it's chubby little legs till it's allowed to crawl over and pick it up, the child picks it up, plays with it, maybe even put it in its mouth. But eventually it's just another pebble, like the rest, the child drops it, loses interest and crawls back. That is young people voting labour, it's a generational​ thing. No sweat. Normal service will be resumed.

So they are all going to end up reactionary like you? (Great rant by the way).

Just to pick one very large hole in it all, when was the last time that we saw a swing like this to a genuinely left wing party? Look at what happened to Foot, and Corbyn is closer to Benn than to Foot. It's unprecedented. I'm 53 by the way and I started the election assuming I could never vote for Corbyn. As it happens I voted tactically, but he won me over with his sincerity.

The two biggest issues facing this country are Brexit and the fear of Muslims and Corbyn has the right approach to both. The tax hike and the economic risk are a price worth paying in my view.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 05:04 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2017, 05:19 PM) *
So they are all going to end up reactionary like you? (Great rant by the way).

Just to pick one very large hole in it all, when was the last time that we saw a swing like this to a genuinely left wing party? Look at what happened to Foot, and Corbyn is closer to Benn than to Foot. It's unprecedented. I'm 53 by the way and I started the election assuming I could never vote for Corbyn. As it happens I voted tactically, but he won me over with his sincerity.

The two biggest issues facing this country are Brexit and the fear of Muslims and Corbyn has the right approach to both. The tax hike and the economic risk are a price worth paying in my view.

Except, and this is fairly important, LABOUR LOST! Not enough votes, not enough seats! Losers!.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 05:11 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 16 2017, 03:48 PM) *
Err, no need to worry. I'd rather live next door to people with the usual number of fingers thanks! tongue.gif

However, you have given me a great commercial idea to redress the problem landlord issue. It satisfies me and fits your philosophy like a glove.

Ahh, if you come from Essex that could be anything up to six, plus webbing. Which would explain you I suppose. Still I offered, don't say I didn't try to help the less well off. You could have been well on your way to your first million tonite. Ho hum! 😘

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 16 2017, 11:47 AM) *
Greed is not good. Greed is what follows in the wake of necessity. Security is what makes us do the things you say. Greed is why we have waste and why we need regulation.

Necessity doesn't make you buy a bigger house, better car, nicer holidays, newer phones / tablets / TV! That's greed does that. The desire to possess something beyond what is required. It drives industry, jobs and commerce! Basic economics!

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 16 2017, 05:49 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 06:20 PM) *
Necessity doesn't make you buy a bigger house, better car, nicer holidays, newer phones / tablets / TV! That's greed does that. The desire to possess something beyond what is required. It drives industry, jobs and commerce! Basic economics!

House size, cars, holidays, phones, tablets, TV are all things that bring no guarantee of a happy life, nor a successful one. You don't even need greed to want any of those things. Greed is a deceptive friend. Greed will be the undoing of mankind.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 16 2017, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 06:11 PM) *
Ahh, if you come from Essex that could be anything up to six, plus webbing. Which would explain you I suppose. Still I offered, don't say I didn't try to help the less well off. You could have been well on your way to your first million tonite. Ho hum! 😘


Don't get me wrong Je suis; I'm not looking for anything more. Family trust has always bee quite adequate. Never felt the need to boast either; as Aunt Maud used to say, so vulgar! Different age of course. As you mentioned Essex, my regards to the wife!

Now, the commercial that comes to mind will be as much fun as profit. It strikes me that given tenants seem to be afraid of really confronting bad landlords, perhaps a new service is needed. For a percentage, we'll get your deposit back, for a small premium each week we'll get repairs done, etc. by us 'having a chat' if you see what I mean. Nothing illegal of course, just persistence. This could have legs.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 16 2017, 06:52 PM) *
Don't get me wrong Je suis; I'm not looking for anything more. Family trust has always bee quite adequate. Never felt the need to boast either; as Aunt Maud used to say, so vulgar! Different age of course. As you mentioned Essex, my regards to the wife!

Now, the commercial that comes to mind will be as much fun as profit. It strikes me that given tenants seem to be afraid of really confronting bad landlords, perhaps a new service is needed. For a percentage, we'll get your deposit back, for a small premium each week we'll get repairs done, etc. by us 'having a chat' if you see what I mean. Nothing illegal of course, just persistence. This could have legs.

Yup, just what poor tenants want, more expense. Brilliant 😎

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 11:10 PM

Wife says hello by the way, you must pop round (her suggestion) give us some notice though. Give me some time to hide the good silver and put some newspaper down. 😋

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2017, 11:13 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 16 2017, 06:49 PM) *
House size, cars, holidays, phones, tablets, TV are all things that bring no guarantee of a happy life, nor a successful one. You don't even need greed to want any of those things. Greed is a deceptive friend. Greed will be the undoing of mankind.

Hasn't been yet. Three million years and counting!

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 17 2017, 01:02 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 12:13 AM) *
Hasn't been yet. Three million years and counting!

Man has been around for ~200,000 years.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 06:12 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 12:02 AM) *
Yup, just what poor tenants want, more expense. Brilliant 😎


You clearly don't think big enough. Certain 'stars' have made such a fuss on a charitable / self promotion basis, as our local MP found. There are others lower down the food chain, who 'enjoy a good ruck' just for the sake of it. Simply a matter of harnessing that energy. As I'm sure even you will have noticed, 'Charities' aren't generally funded by the people whose needs are being met.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 06:22 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 12:10 AM) *
Wife says hello by the way, you must pop round (her suggestion) give us some notice though. Give me some time to hide the good silver and put some newspaper down. 😋


I've often wondered why you have the door mat on the inside. Of course, if you haven't got much, its worth protecting. Must admit, we generally get the family stuff out when we have a big event, the age of the stuff is beginning to tell. By the way, you can pick up some quite nice stuff at auction these days if you are short. Love the 'hiding it' bit, must share that one!

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 17 2017, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 16 2017, 06:49 PM) *
House size, cars, holidays, phones, tablets, TV are all things that bring no guarantee of a happy life, nor a successful one. You don't even need greed to want any of those things. Greed is a deceptive friend. Greed will be the undoing of mankind.

You are probably right AC!
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htma suggestion for a way to follow your beliefs!
Only 67 billion people to convince to do the same. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 08:51 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 17 2017, 02:02 AM) *
Man has been around for ~200,000 years.

Really? I was referring to Homo as a genus starting with Homo Habilis, but if you want specifics.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 07:12 AM) *
You clearly don't think big enough. Certain 'stars' have made such a fuss on a charitable / self promotion basis, as our local MP found. There are others lower down the food chain, who 'enjoy a good ruck' just for the sake of it. Simply a matter of harnessing that energy. As I'm sure even you will have noticed, 'Charities' aren't generally funded by the people whose needs are being met.

Hmm, Still not sure, you would need to run it past the lawyers I think. Then if it's a business you have to look at salaries, NI, benefits, holiday pay, dealing with the taxman. And that's before some be done you in for harassment. Or if it's really the wrong sort of landlord, the sort with connections, you end up with your legs across a kerb with someone's 'associate' jumping up and down on your knees! So then you have to factor in hospital bills, sick pay etc. Not starting to look like a practical business model to me. But I'm sure you know what your doing.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 17 2017, 11:11 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 09:51 AM) *
Really? I was referring to Homo as a genus starting with Homo Habilis, but if you want specifics.

I did originally say Mankind, short for human beings. Not that you would know much about that. tongue.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 17 2017, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 17 2017, 12:11 PM) *
I did originally say Mankind, short for human beings. Not that you would know much about that. tongue.gif

Nah. The earth is flat and 7000 years old.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 01:58 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 10:01 AM) *
Hmm, Still not sure, you would need to run it past the lawyers I think. Then if it's a business you have to look at salaries, NI, benefits, holiday pay, dealing with the taxman. And that's before some be done you in for harassment. Or if it's really the wrong sort of landlord, the sort with connections, you end up with your legs across a kerb with someone's 'associate' jumping up and down on your knees! So then you have to factor in hospital bills, sick pay etc. Not starting to look like a practical business model to me. But I'm sure you know what your doing.


Yes, you've seen it. No, why would I bother with lawyers and salaries etc, for the 'heavy end' at least. Whatever the modern day Peter Rachmanns do, we 'the underclass' can do better. So once word gets out that landllords who evict without good cause, or unreasonably withhold deposits find that drug addled squatters have mysteriously taken possession and their agents refuse repeat business because the hassle from groups of mouthy students in their offices really isn't worth it. And of course, these perpetrators will be doing it for social justice reasons;playing for the victim. Just needs a little organisation, that's all.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 17 2017, 12:11 PM) *
I did originally say Mankind, short for human beings. Not that you would know much about that. tongue.gif

I did think of narrowing down to Homo Sapiens, but I thought ,no, not in Andy's case. 😊

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 02:38 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 02:58 PM) *
Yes, you've seen it. No, why would I bother with lawyers and salaries etc, for the 'heavy end' at least. Whatever the modern day Peter Rachmanns do, we 'the underclass' can do better. So once word gets out that landllords who evict without good cause, or unreasonably withhold deposits find that drug addled squatters have mysteriously taken possession and their agents refuse repeat business because the hassle from groups of mouthy students in their offices really isn't worth it. And of course, these perpetrators will be doing it for social justice reasons;playing for the victim. Just needs a little organisation, that's all.

Ah, yes, the underclass, turning to thuggery, sits well with your Corbynite leanings.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 02:58 PM) *
Yes, you've seen it. No, why would I bother with lawyers and salaries etc, for the 'heavy end' at least. Whatever the modern day Peter Rachmanns do, we 'the underclass' can do better. So once word gets out that landllords who evict without good cause, or unreasonably withhold deposits find that drug addled squatters have mysteriously taken possession and their agents refuse repeat business because the hassle from groups of mouthy students in their offices really isn't worth it. And of course, these perpetrators will be doing it for social justice reasons;playing for the victim. Just needs a little organisation, that's all.

Actually, given me a germ of an idea, got a friend with a construction​ business, should be able to find some lads to hire out to disgruntled landlords with scum tenants who won't pay rent. Yeah pay a friendly visit, just to pay respects of course, nothing nasty, but entitled to a bit of fun like. Boot swings both ways lad. Yeah, money to be made there I'm sure. Thanks for the idea. I like a bit of 'social justice'.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 03:57 PM) *
Actually, given me a germ of an idea, got a friend with a construction​ business, should be able to find some lads to hire out to disgruntled landlords with scum tenants who won't pay rent. Yeah pay a friendly visit, just to pay respects of course, nothing nasty, but entitled to a bit of fun like. Boot swings both ways lad. Yeah, money to be made there I'm sure. Thanks for the idea. I like a bit of 'social justice'.

Send me a leaflet if you get it off the ground, had a run of shocking tenants last year or so. 🤐

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 03:38 PM) *
Ah, yes, the underclass, turning to thuggery, sits well with your Corbynite leanings.


I just knew it, usual threats, I think was you who was promoting physical violence by landlords against those supporting tenants with legitimate grevances. All I've suggested is assertive passive resistance! Nice.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 03:57 PM) *
Actually, given me a germ of an idea, got a friend with a construction​ business, should be able to find some lads to hire out to disgruntled landlords with scum tenants who won't pay rent. Yeah pay a friendly visit, just to pay respects of course, nothing nasty, but entitled to a bit of fun like. Boot swings both ways lad. Yeah, money to be made there I'm sure. Thanks for the idea. I like a bit of 'social justice'.


Quite. It's going to be an interesting period ahead isn't it? Presumably your black shirt is nicely ironed.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 03:20 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 04:11 PM) *
Send me a leaflet if you get it off the ground, had a run of shocking tenants last year or so. 🤐


Certainly, but it might be more advisable to use competent letting agents in future.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 04:15 PM) *
I just knew it, usual threats, I think was you who was promoting physical violence by landlords against those supporting tenants with legitimate grevances. All I've suggested is assertive passive resistance! Nice.

I think we'll market it as landlord assistance, for when the law just isn't enough. Costs will be low, borrow a crew bus, twenty five or fifty per lad, oh and pickaxe handles. Wonder if they're tax deductible? I could take what? 5%? Cheaper and quicker than bailiffs.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 03:42 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I think we'll market it as landlord assistance, for when the law just isn't enough. Costs will be low, borrow a crew bus, twenty five or fifty per lad, oh and pickaxe handles. Wonder if they're tax deductible? I could take what? 5%? Cheaper and quicker than bailiffs.

I've done debt collection in my 'yoof'. Not fun, would have liked the option of a pickaxe handle at times. Hi hum 🤔

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 03:44 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 04:20 PM) *
Certainly, but it might be more advisable to use competent letting agents in future.

Oh I do, trouble is it takes months when the laws on their side. Some of them are little better than animals as well and they all so sweet when the let starts 👹

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 04:29 PM) *
I think we'll market it as landlord assistance, for when the law just isn't enough. Costs will be low, borrow a crew bus, twenty five or fifty per lad, oh and pickaxe handles. Wonder if they're tax deductible? I could take what? 5%? Cheaper and quicker than bailiffs.


Then there's the insurance costs, we 'underclass' use no win no fee briefs at the drop of a hat. That's the trouble with giving out physical violence, difficult to prove you haven't caused an injury. And if you are going down the paying real money route, so easy to trace these days.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 04:44 PM) *
Oh I do, trouble is it takes months when the laws on their side. Some of them are little better than animals as well and they all so sweet when the let starts 👹


If the law is on their side, how can they be bad tenants?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 17 2017, 04:55 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:06 PM) *
If the law is on their side, how can they be bad tenants?


Yeah. Let's take the houses off the rich. Scum rich. Die all of you.
Public executions. Thats what we need. Mays head on a pike.😵
Then lets stop elections and make JC dictator.
Yay!!!! GO JC.


Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 17 2017, 05:55 PM) *
Yeah. Let's take the houses off the rich. Scum rich. Die all of you.
Public executions. Thats what we need. Mays head on a pike.��
Then lets stop elections and make JC dictator.
Yay!!!! GO JC.


Simply trying to point out that the law is by common consent fair. In this case Turin Machine says its on the side of the tenants.

I suppose we could take it to mean that he has to go through due process, as pertains to any other contractural litigation, before he can put his case. What's wrong with that?




Ironically, as George Orwell, a true socialist commentator implied, rich landlords are the best. They can afford to manage properties properly. Nothing with private renting, so long as it's done fairly and properly. The trouble is experience demonstrates private landlords, even when they are charities, don't do that.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:04 PM) *
Then there's the insurance costs, we 'underclass' use no win no fee briefs at the drop of a hat. That's the trouble with giving out physical violence, difficult to prove you haven't caused an injury. And if you are going down the paying real money route, so easy to trace these days.

Naw, easy peasy, ta very for the idea. I'll float it around next week.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 05:07 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:06 PM) *
If the law is on their side, how can they be bad tenants?

Wrecking houses, breaking sanitary ware, not paying rent, kitchen cupboards pulled off walls. Scum some of them.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 05:59 PM) *
Simply trying to point out that the law is by common consent fair. In this case Turin Machine says its on the side of the tenants.

I suppose we could take it to mean that he has to go through due process, as pertains to any other contractural litigation, before he can put his case. What's wrong with that?

That's why contracts exist. Trouble is they don't live up to them. It can take months to get bailiffs in and in the meantime, no rents coming in while they continue to cause damage. Some people I know start saying "why bother trying to make it nice" just factor the losses in and bump up rents and refurbish less often. Must say, JSC's idea could gain traction.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 06:17 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 06:15 PM) *
That's why contracts exist. Trouble is they don't live up to them. It can take months to get bailiffs in and in the meantime, no rents coming in while they continue to cause damage. Some people I know start saying "why bother trying to make it nice" just factor the losses in and bump up rents and refurbish less often. Must say, JSC's idea could gain traction.


Of course, but no more than any other business, people failing to pay for work done, lifting stock, failing to disclose material facts, etc.etc,etc. The housing market is no more immune from bad customers than any other commercial operation. Where proper management is in place, because a dwelling is a fixed known location, taking the sector as a whole the incidence of bad debt is lower than average.

On the other hand, particularly in areas where prices have shot forward, particularly London, we have seen a significant increase in landlords deliberately flouting even the most basic regulations on habitable premises, overcrowding, unjustified contract terminations, imposing unreasonable and in some cases illegal fees, unreasonably holding on to deposits.

Landlords seem to want their cake and eat it. Unsurprisingly, looked on unfavourably by the public at large. Ironically, this lack of confidence in the rented sector along with the failure of wages to increase is actually causing concern to the Government, a Tory Government at that.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 06:07 PM) *
Wrecking houses, breaking sanitary ware, not paying rent, kitchen cupboards pulled off walls. Scum some of them.


So they are, totally agree.

Just like the scum who fill up,with petrol and drive off, or go shoplifting; now apparently with impunity, fly tip on grass verges, and on and on and on.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 07:17 PM) *
Of course, but no more than any other business, people failing to pay for work done, lifting stock, failing to disclose material facts, etc.etc,etc. The housing market is no more immune from bad customers than any other commercial operation. Where proper management is in place, because a dwelling is a fixed known location, taking the sector as a whole the incidence of bad debt is lower than average.

On the other hand, particularly in areas where prices have shot forward, particularly London, we have seen a significant increase in landlords deliberately flouting even the most basic regulations on habitable premises, overcrowding, unjustified contract terminations, imposing unreasonable and in some cases illegal fees, unreasonably holding on to deposits.

Landlords seem to want their cake and eat it. Unsurprisingly, looked on unfavourably by the public at large. Ironically, this lack of confidence in the rented sector along with the failure of wages to increase is actually causing concern to the Government, a Tory Government at that.

What you conveniently fail to mention is the sheer number of tenants who approach us asking "if we pay cash direct can you do a better deal?". If people want to to deal with landlords who do that rather than go through agents whose duty of care is to both parties then tough luck. No contract no comeback. And these tenants think they're being clever, getting one over on the system.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 07:20 PM) *
So they are, totally agree.

Just like the scum who fill up,with petrol and drive off, or go shoplifting; now apparently with impunity, fly tip on grass verges, and on and on and on.

Agree 👍

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 17 2017, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 07:25 PM) *
What you conveniently fail to mention is the sheer number of tenants who approach us asking "if we pay cash direct can you do a better deal?". If people want to to deal with landlords who do that rather than go through agents whose duty of care is to both parties then tough luck. No contract no comeback. And these tenants think they're being clever, getting one over on the system.


But its all they can afford. They cant find a 6 grand deposit. However landlord's are unscrupulous if they house people who they know cant legally afford to pay. In the gambling industry we have to check proven sources of income before accepting on line activity. I suggest the same checks and regs be put in place. Landlords should have a duty of care to the tenants and any neighbours. It would also help identify the real number of people in the Country and just how many houses we need to build.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 06:39 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 07:25 PM) *
What you conveniently fail to mention is the sheer number of tenants who approach us asking "if we pay cash direct can you do a better deal?". If people want to to deal with landlords who do that rather than go through agents whose duty of care is to both parties then tough luck. No contract no comeback. And these tenants think they're being clever, getting one over on the system.


I'm sure that's the case too. Just like the home owner agreeing to pay an emergency plumber cash in hand. Or the driver having his car fixed on the same basis. Frankly, if a landlord agrees, he deserves all he gets.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 17 2017, 07:33 PM) *
But its all they can afford. They cant find a 6 grand deposit. However landlord's are unscrupulous if they house people who they know cant legally afford to pay. In the gambling industry we have to check proven sources of income before accepting on line activity. I suggest the same checks and regs be put in place. Landlords should have a duty of care to the tenants and any neighbours. It would also help identify the real number of people in the Country and just how many houses we need to build.


Exactly right.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 07:40 PM) *
Exactly right.

Err, they already do. It's the law. As is deposits held in an escrow account, the right of appeal for unreasonable deductions, checking of right to be in the country, rent appeal etc etc.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 07:07 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 07:48 PM) *
Err, they already do. It's the law. As is deposits held in an escrow account, the right of appeal for unreasonable deductions, checking of right to be in the country, rent appeal etc etc.

It's ok TM, thanks to gobby the so called activist, I'm thinking of launching a new service, based around the concept of 'avin a little chat' if you get any probs give me a bell. My new motto "have crew bus will negotiate". Special rates for locals and job lots. Thinking of calling it "Scum away".

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 17 2017, 07:11 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 07:48 PM) *
Err, they already do. It's the law. As is deposits held in an escrow account, the right of appeal for unreasonable deductions, checking of right to be in the country, rent appeal etc etc.


I have letted in my yoof. I had a 600 deposit in the early 80s and I lost it all. Despite my flat being in a better condition when I left than when I arrived. There are good landlords yes and like in all walks of society you can get unlucky and get a bad one. No easy answers.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 17 2017, 08:11 PM) *
I have letted in my yoof. I had a 600 deposit in the early 80s and I lost it all. Despite my flat being in a better condition when I left than when I arrived. There are good landlords yes and like in all walks of society you can get unlucky and get a bad one. No easy answers.

Its all different now, the only bad landlords are rogues. I always tell all prospective tenants, go through the agent, no shortcuts, still don't always believe me though. Let someone else have the additional agro. Just forked out nearly seven k in refurbishment to one property and only allowed to take £250 off the deposit. I try to be careful, I always start of with refurbed nice property and pray it gets looked after. But some people treat it like a playpen.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 08:34 PM) *
Its all different now, the only bad landlords are rogues. I always tell all prospective tenants, go through the agent, no shortcuts, still don't always believe me though. Let someone else have the additional agro. Just forked out nearly seven k in refurbishment to one property and only allowed to take £250 off the deposit. I try to be careful, I always start of with refurbed nice property and pray it gets looked after. But some people treat it like a playpen.


Oh, you are all heart Turin Machine! I suppose it's only your admirable philanthropy which prevents you selling up and getting a bigger and trouble free return elsewhere.

Don't want to worry you but this Tory market based economy approach says you ought to be doing just that.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 17 2017, 08:11 PM) *
I have letted in my yoof. I had a 600 deposit in the early 80s and I lost it all. Despite my flat being in a better condition when I left than when I arrived. There are good landlords yes and like in all walks of society you can get unlucky and get a bad one. No easy answers.


Nothing has changed. These wonderful Agents 'holding the deposit in escrow' determine the condition of the property when the tenant leaves. Guess who the Agent acts for; oh yes, the Landlord...... laugh.gif

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 08:07 PM) *
It's ok TM, thanks to gobby the so called activist, I'm thinking of launching a new service, based around the concept of 'avin a little chat' if you get any probs give me a bell. My new motto "have crew bus will negotiate". Special rates for locals and job lots. Thinking of calling it "Scum away".


Stage one clearly works Je suis! Worth remembering there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 08:43 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 09:33 PM) *
Nothing has changed. These wonderful Agents 'holding the deposit in escrow' determine the condition of the property when the tenant leaves. Guess who the Agent acts for; oh yes, the Landlord...... laugh.gif

Err no, I wish you would at least try to learn the facts. The agent works for both parties. What is it you can't understand about this?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 17 2017, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 09:43 PM) *
Err no, I wish you would at least try to learn the facts. The agent works for both parties. What is it you can't understand about this?


Turin... Landlords are the new evil. Best sell it all up. Bitcoin and overseas property is the way. Ever done any Bitcoin mining? Get yourself a proper setup and see the real $ come rolling in. So a friend told me.....😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 09:35 PM) *
Stage one clearly works Je suis! Worth remembering there is more than one way to skin a cat.

You're clueless aren't you. Still looking for answers in Jeremie's little red book.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 09:29 PM) *
Oh, you are all heart Turin Machine! I suppose it's only your admirable philanthropy which prevents you selling up and getting a bigger and trouble free return elsewhere.

Don't want to worry you but this Tory market based economy approach says you ought to be doing just that.

Typical Marxist puppet, sneer at everything, do nothing. Know nothing, worth nothing.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 09:52 PM) *
Typical Marxist puppet, sneer at everything, do nothing. Know nothing, worth nothing.


But it's got you rattled boy!

According to your lights, you must realise that your customers know you are trying to do them down? That's capitalisim!

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 09:43 PM) *
Err no, I wish you would at least try to learn the facts. The agent works for both parties. What is it you can't understand about this?

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

What don't you understand about basic economics? Summed up in a simple very, very old adage 'man cannot serve two masters'.


Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 09:50 PM) *
You're clueless aren't you. Still looking for answers in Jeremie's little red book.


So I might be, but I sleep nights.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 09:08 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 10:03 PM) *
But it's got you rattled boy!

According to your lights, you must realise that your customers know you are trying to do them down? That's capitalisim!

I love it when you fools rattle on about capitalism and the other great Satan globalisation. By tweeting on their iPhone before getting in their Ford and going for a latte at cafe Nero and a McDonald's. Sweet.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 10:07 PM) *
So I might be, but I sleep nights.

So do I, usually in my power ranger jammies, in between my Spiderman sheets.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 10:06 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

What don't you understand about basic economics? Summed up in a simple very, very old adage 'man cannot serve two masters'.

In this case they can. It's the law.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 10:08 PM) *
I love it when you fools rattle on about capitalism and the other great Satan globalisation. By tweeting on their iPhone before getting in their Ford and going for a latte at cafe Nero and a McDonald's. Sweet.


Yeah, but I wouldn't be seen dead in a Ford, don't drink coffee and McDonalds smell puts me off. Globalisation doesn't worry me, indeed it solves the only worry I've ever had when voting leave. That is the UK no longer has the effective entrepreneurial and managerial skills for us to survive on our own - as you so amply demonstrate.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 10:13 PM) *
In this case they can. It's the law.


I'm sure it is and the law leaves the interpretation of the condition of a let on termination to them.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 10:17 PM) *
I'm sure it is and the law leaves the interpretation of the condition of a let on termination to them.

No, it doesn't. It allows for 'fair wear and tear' and there is an independent arbitration service available if the outgoing tenants disagree. You seem unable to grasp that tenants rights have come on recently, I can't even turn of the Lecky and gas if I don't​ like what they put in the window box.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2017, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 10:14 PM) *
Yeah, but I wouldn't be seen dead in a Ford, don't drink coffee and McDonalds smell puts me off. Globalisation doesn't worry me, indeed it solves the only worry I've ever had when voting leave. That is the UK no longer has the effective entrepreneurial and managerial skills for us to survive on our own - as you so amply demonstrate.

Then Jeremie's in trouble, he'll have no one to fleece.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 17 2017, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 10:32 PM) *
No, it doesn't. It allows for 'fair wear and tear' and there is an independent arbitration service available if the outgoing tenants disagree. You seem unable to grasp that tenants rights have come on recently, I can't even turn of the Lecky and gas if I don't​ like what they put in the window box.


OK. yes I'm willing to accept that. However, it will be worth waiting to see what actual effect this has in practice, hopefully good. I must admit though, experience with small letting agents in west London still worries me, but that may well be an issue with enforcement.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 17 2017, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 17 2017, 10:54 PM) *
OK. yes I'm willing to accept that. However, it will be worth waiting to see what actual effect this has in practice, hopefully good. I must admit though, experience with small letting agents in west London still worries me, but that may well be an issue with enforcement.

Not asking you to accept it, it's the law and it's there for the benefit of the tenants, the landlord far as I can see, derives no benefit at all from it. Unless you count knowing where they stand. But, if you go down the cheapo back Street option then you will of necessity be less protected. You only need to look at what went on in Slough with people housing workers in sheds in back gardens to realise there are landlords and there are landlords. ☺️ Gnite johnboy.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 18 2017, 05:42 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 17 2017, 11:07 PM) *
Not asking you to accept it, it's the law and it's there for the benefit of the tenants, the landlord far as I can see, derives no benefit at all from it. Unless you count knowing where they stand. But, if you go down the cheapo back Street option then you will of necessity be less protected. You only need to look at what went on in Slough with people housing workers in sheds in back sadly not only in Slough gardens to realise there are landlords and there are landlords. ☺️ Gnite johnboy.


I meant I was agreeing with you pointing out that I wasn't au fait with latest legislation. So, yes, you are right if the legislation is followed it does protect the tenant. That leaves the 'back street' option which seems more prevalent than ever. The only way to prevent that and inevitably it affects the poorer and more vulnerable end of the market would be to make the new legislation compulsory by enforcement. That is the issue with sheds in gardens; which is still going on and not only in Slough. Again, it's the poor and disadvantaged being exploited. In this case, the planning rules, reasonably straightforward ways of detection are all available but simply lay unused because the Local Authorities responsible cannot afford to employ resource to do the job. That's actually the nub of the present crisis.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 18 2017, 05:44 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2017, 10:35 PM) *
Then Jeremie's in trouble, he'll have no one to fleece.


I doubt he would disagree. Remember, he's the Leader, not the party. That's the trouble with Labour, it actually listens to the masses it tries to represent. Some advice dear Theresa might well have heeded eh?

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 18 2017, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 18 2017, 06:44 AM) *
I doubt he would disagree. Remember, he's the Leader, not the party. That's the trouble with Labour, it actually listens to the masses it tries to represent. Some advice dear Theresa might well have heeded eh?




Quot homines tot sententiae as they say in the popular taverns . Guess Saint Theresa of Wokingham doesn't frequent to many ale houses . More the pity .

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 18 2017, 01:58 PM

But,. Malum consilium quod mutari non potest 😎

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 18 2017, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 18 2017, 02:58 PM) *
But,. Malum consilium quod mutari non potest 😎



Yet another good reason not to make plans . Least not ones that one neither has to justify nor deliver .

Posted by: The Hatter Jun 18 2017, 04:00 PM

Latin is a language
Dead as dead can be
First it killed the Romans
Now it's killing me.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 18 2017, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 18 2017, 04:16 PM) *
Yet another good reason not to make plans . Least not ones that one neither has to justify nor deliver .

Like Jeremy??

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 18 2017, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 18 2017, 12:41 PM) *
Quot homines tot sententiae as they say in the popular taverns . Guess Saint Theresa of Wokingham doesn't frequent to many ale houses . More the pity .

When the country's opinion was that she should stay PM why go to the ale House?

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 19 2017, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Jun 18 2017, 05:00 PM) *
Latin is a language
Dead as dead can be
First it killed the Romans
Now it's killing me.



Fast forward 2,000 years and one wonders if English will be taught as a " classic language " in the schools of the day . Never quite understood it's purpose other than to perpetuate the elitist myth and justify the sadistic approach of the respective tutor .

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2017, 02:18 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 19 2017, 09:06 AM) *
Fast forward 2,000 years and one wonders if English will be taught as a " classic language " in the schools of the day . Never quite understood it's purpose other than to perpetuate the elitist myth and justify the sadistic approach of the respective tutor .


Very good point! Arguably a good example of how our education system has contributed to our national decline. It's also ironic that defenders of Latin studies often claim that it assists with learning other, modern languages, given our international reputation as poor linguists!

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 19 2017, 03:56 PM

Knowing Latin can improve your foreign language vocabulary. Much of the commonly spoken Romanic languages like Spanish, French, and Italian derived from Vulgar Latin. You’ll be surprised by the number of Romanic words that are pretty much the same as their Latin counterparts.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2017, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 19 2017, 04:56 PM) *
Knowing Latin can improve your foreign language vocabulary. Much of the commonly spoken Romanic languages like Spanish, French, and Italian derived from Vulgar Latin. You’ll be surprised by the number of Romanic words that are pretty much the same as their Latin counterparts.


Yes, that's the theory....presumably we in GB are the exception proving the rule?

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 19 2017, 05:14 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 19 2017, 05:33 PM) *
Yes, that's the theory....presumably we in GB are the exception proving the rule?

Not really, lots of people speak other languages, I for instance speak a little French, my friend is fluent in Italian and another is fully fluent in Spanish, so much so that she is now teaching in a Spanish school. If people can't be arsed that's down to them really.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 19 2017, 07:05 PM

Dos cervezas por favor!

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 19 2017, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 19 2017, 08:05 PM) *
Dos cervezas por favor!

👩‍🎓🗣️👏

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 19 2017, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 19 2017, 08:05 PM) *
Dos cervezas por favor!



One can always rely on the Brits to solve everything over a pint . Not to difficult to get by with a limited grasp of what Johnny foreigner is trying to relay .
My son in law hails from a place called Falkirk and I have more chance of understanding a Mongolian troglodyte with a lisp .

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2017, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 19 2017, 06:14 PM) *
Not really, lots of people speak other languages, I for instance speak a little French, my friend is fluent in Italian and another is fully fluent in Spanish, so much so that she is now teaching in a Spanish school. If people can't be arsed that's down to them really.


Very true. Presumably the self same people who voted Brexit on the basis that we'd be better off trading with the rest of the World.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 19 2017, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 19 2017, 09:37 PM) *
Very true. Presumably the self same people who voted Brexit on the basis that we'd be better off trading with the rest of the World.

Presumably.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 19 2017, 08:49 PM

Still, OTE's fluent in gibberish. 😂😂😂

Posted by: On the edge Jun 20 2017, 05:12 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 19 2017, 09:49 PM) *
Still, OTE's fluent in gibberish. ������


I wondered why you don't seem to understand anything; you can't speak the lingo! tongue.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 22 2017, 04:13 PM

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/21680/newbury-mp-faces-taunts-from-jeremy-corbyn.html


Working class hero? I'm right of middle but comments like that just back up my decision to spoil my ballot paper.

Head. D1ck.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 22 2017, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 22 2017, 05:13 PM) *
http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/21680/newbury-mp-faces-taunts-from-jeremy-corbyn.html


Working class hero? I'm right of middle but comments like that just back up my decision to spoil my ballot paper.

Head. D1ck.

He's just a son of the soil.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 22 2017, 08:02 PM

Fighting for the best deal for West Berkshire.

Posted by: newres Jun 23 2017, 06:02 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 22 2017, 05:13 PM) *
http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/21680/newbury-mp-faces-taunts-from-jeremy-corbyn.html


Working class hero? I'm right of middle but comments like that just back up my decision to spoil my ballot paper.

Head. D1ck.

It's not often I agree with you. Corbyn ripped him to pieces.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 23 2017, 08:59 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 23 2017, 07:02 AM) *
It's not often I agree with you. Corbyn ripped him to pieces.

Like being savaged by a dead sheep, in corduroy.

Posted by: newres Jun 23 2017, 11:12 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 23 2017, 09:59 AM) *
Like being savaged by a dead sheep, in corduroy.

A bit more than that I'd have said, but then again I gave a capacity for objectivity.

Posted by: blackdog Jun 23 2017, 11:24 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 23 2017, 12:12 PM) *
A bit more than that I'd have said, but then again I gave a capacity for objectivity.


Who to?

Posted by: newres Jun 23 2017, 04:48 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 23 2017, 12:24 PM) *
Who to?

Typo - g next to h.

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