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Apr 15 2012, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 15 2012, 12:43 AM) RIP 'According to Pete' and 'Synchronised', who didn't want to race it seems. They were 'humanely' destroyed.
15 of the 40 starters completed the course.
A sick sport followed by sick people for sick reasons. This is a very emotive subject, it is the biggest meet of the calendar and provides much pleasure for many. Did I cry when I saw the black tents ? Yes of course I did. To lose such a magnificent animal such as a horse for sport is obscene yet we as a nation regularly allow horses to be treated with cruelty. Not to mention the horses we export to slaughter houses on the Continent. The national is a conundrum, how do you race yet protect the animals ? It's an argument that has been raging for years.
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Apr 15 2012, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 15 2012, 12:43 AM) RIP 'According to Pete' and 'Synchronised', who didn't want to race it seems. They were 'humanely' destroyed.
15 of the 40 starters completed the course.
A sick sport followed by sick people for sick reasons. I'm conflicted on this. I'm a vegetarian and animal welfare is hugely important to me, but I don't see any intrinsic problem in horse racing per se, it's a relatively natural behaviour and as a rule race horses are treated well. However, the jumps on the Aintree course are manifestly too punishing and as far as I can tell there's no defendable reason not to make the course easier and the field much smaller.
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Apr 15 2012, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 15 2012, 06:31 PM) I'm conflicted on this. I'm a vegetarian and animal welfare is hugely important to me, but I don't see any intrinsic problem in horse racing per se, it's a relatively natural behaviour and as a rule race horses are treated well. However, the jumps on the Aintree course are manifestly too punishing and as far as I can tell there's no defendable reason not to make the course easier and the field much smaller. Just curious and it is off topic, but how much of a veggie are you? It makes no odds I'm just curious. I gave up meat in January for a month and my digestive system thanked me, I then gave it up for lent, but continued with meat products, for example stock, and I still had fish.
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Apr 15 2012, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 15 2012, 10:34 PM) At the end of the day, just like smoking and alcohol, if it wasn't for so much money, it would be banned. Horse racing, the grand national or vegetarianism?
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Apr 15 2012, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE (Jayjay @ Apr 15 2012, 10:40 PM) Horse racing, the grand national or vegetarianism? WDYT?
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Apr 15 2012, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 15 2012, 07:00 PM) Just curious and it is off topic, but how much of a veggie are you? It makes no odds I'm just curious. I gave up meat in January for a month and my digestive system thanked me, I then gave it up for lent, but continued with meat products, for example stock, and I still had fish. I don't eat birds or mammals. I have my concerns about eating fish but I still do, and I'm not vegan so I don't have a problem with dairy. I've been vegetarian for getting on 20 years and I really don't give it any thought. I mentioned it just to illustrate a reasonably committed attitude to animal welfare.
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Apr 15 2012, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 15 2012, 10:34 PM) At the end of the day, just like smoking and alcohol, if it wasn't for so much money, it would be banned. Is horse racing inhumane per se? I don't have any real understanding of the sport so I really don't know, but it doesn't appear to be so to me. What to me is a no-brainer is getting rid of the whip, but other than that is there any objectionable level of distress and suffering associated with horse racing in general, leaving aside the obvious problems with the Grand National? I don't think the comparison with smoking and drinking is a good one. For both the interests of individual civil liberties are not at all well served with a ban, and for alcohol US prohibition has shown that criminalisation is a disasterous idea, and the same could very easily be said for the criminalisation of drugs. I enjoy the occaisonal cigar, I don't depend on it, but I don't see why the state should ban me from enjoying it.
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Apr 15 2012, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 15 2012, 10:56 PM) I enjoy the occaisonal cigar, I don't depend on it, but I don't see why the state should ban me from enjoying it. Nor do I, but what has this got to do with the OP?
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Apr 16 2012, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 15 2012, 10:46 PM) I have my concerns about eating fish but I still do QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 15 2012, 10:46 PM) I've been vegetarian for getting on 20 years Those two statements are mutually exclusive!
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Apr 16 2012, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Apr 16 2012, 04:09 PM) No.
A Vegetarian doesn't eat meat but will sometimes eat fish and often eat dairy products.
It's a Vegan who doesn't eat meat or fish. I understand that a vegetarian doesn't eat creatures but will eat their by-products; vegans avoid anything to do with creatures. Simon is technically a Pescetarian.
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Apr 16 2012, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 16 2012, 06:04 PM) A vegetarian wouldn't eat meat or its derivatives. This rules out a lot of cheese's, beers and wines, and gelatin products. They certainly wouldn't eat fish. http://www.vegsoc.org/page.aspx?pid=698GENERALY speaking, a vegetarian will drink and eat milk and eggs respectively, but not anything that a creature has to die for. Vegans will not have anything to do with anything that was sourced from a creature.
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