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Andy Capp
post Aug 3 2011, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Aug 3 2011, 09:56 PM) *
It was the resolve of NATO by deploying Cruise that brought the Russians to the table. It was the unrest of those under the thumbs of Russia that helped it as well. If it wasn't for the folks who served up at GC and other locations, you probably wouldn't have the opportunity to take part of a forum such as this.

That is frankly brainwashed spin, in my view. The USSR ran out of money. Period.

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Truman weighed up the choices, either a million American casualites landing in Japan, or dropping the bomb.

Why Nagasaki?

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As for Russia's evil underbelly, how many Russians were killed under Stalin? Again, the Russian put down anti communist uprisings in Hungary and Czechslovika, and were threating Poland during the Gdansk strikes. They also invaded Afghanistan for no reason.

For no reason...just a whim...nothing better to do? huh.gif By the way, I'm no supporter of the old USSR, or communism, or whatever.

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As I said before, I contacted the WBC, GC Trust and the NTC about putting up a plaque for all those regardless of nationality for those who served at Greenham. What happened up at GC during the cruise deployment was as much as a British operation though the weapons and base was under U.S. control. It wasn't the Americans who defended the base during the major demostrations, and it was the RAF Regiment who were assigned to defend the base during wartime operations.

I think a plaque would be fine. I'm not against the idea, I only want to explain that many people don't look on this with pride as you and others do. Personally, I was acquainted with people from the bases, both at Greenham and Welford, both USAF and RAF Reg, who I would have regarded as friends at the time. Not to mention Bill the burger man, with his Sloppy Joe! tongue.gif

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Exactly, which is why a museum complex utilising the control tower, Bldg 274 and the GAMA should be developed.

I have been fortunate that I have been on a tour already, both when it was being built, and after the American's handed it over. I think though, to create a museum under the current circumstances would be hard.
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post Aug 3 2011, 09:33 PM
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Again, the Russian put down anti communist uprisings in Hungary and Czechslovika, and were threating Poland during the Gdansk strikes. They also invaded Afghanistan for no reason.


No, that would be the USA & her allies.
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post Aug 3 2011, 11:00 PM
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Again, the Russian put down anti communist uprisings in Hungary and Czechslovika, and were threating Poland during the Gdansk strikes. They also invaded Afghanistan for no reason.


No, that would be the USA & her allies


1979 Soviet forces invade Afghanistan. 2001, U.S. led coalition invade Afghanistan to oust Al Queda after 9/11 bombings. Slight difference.

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I have been fortunate that I have been on a tour already, both when it was being built, and after the American's handed it over. I think though, to create a museum under the current circumstances would be hard.


It's coming up to 20 years since the last American (Michael Walker) left GC. Shame nothing has been done by local gov't or GC Trust. Now that someone wants to do something, it's not good.
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post Aug 4 2011, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Aug 4 2011, 12:00 AM) *
1979 Soviet forces invade Afghanistan. 2001, U.S. led coalition invade Afghanistan to oust Al Queda after 9/11 bombings. Slight difference.



It's coming up to 20 years since the last American (Michael Walker) left GC. Shame nothing has been done by local gov't or GC Trust. Now that someone wants to do something, it's not good.

I'd say a big difference. One the one hand the Marxist/Lenninist Afghan government of 1979 requested Soviet assistance. Which they gave. The US led coalition was not asked to give assistance. They were the ones who did the invading.
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post Aug 4 2011, 08:22 AM
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post Aug 4 2011, 10:57 AM
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I'd say a big difference. One the one hand the Marxist/Lenninist Afghan government of 1979 requested Soviet assistance. Which they gave. The US led coalition was not asked to give assistance. They were the ones who did the invading.


You will find that what happened on Dec 24th 1979 was an invasion. Why else would the Soviets kill the President of Afghanistan?
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post Aug 4 2011, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Aug 4 2011, 11:57 AM) *
You will find that what happened on Dec 24th 1979 was an invasion. Why else would the Soviets kill the President of Afghanistan?

The Soviets assassinated the man who had in turn assassinated the resident of the PDPA.
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post Aug 4 2011, 02:29 PM
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The Soviets assassinated the man who had in turn assassinated the resident of the PDPA.



Hahaha, that's a new one, the Soviets protecting human rights..
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post Aug 4 2011, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Aug 4 2011, 03:29 PM) *
Hahaha, that's a new one, the Soviets protecting human rights..

Where did I say that they did?

The USSR & USA used Afghanistan as a private little boxing ring. Neither side gave a toss about human rights.
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post Aug 4 2011, 03:50 PM
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Where did I say that they did?

The USSR & USA used Afghanistan as a private little boxing ring. Neither side gave a toss about human rights.


You say that the Soviets were invited to invade Afghanistan. Those inside Afghanistan who planned and paid for the 9/11 attacks invited the Americans and coalition forces to invade them again.
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post Aug 5 2011, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Aug 4 2011, 04:50 PM) *
You say that the Soviets were invited to invade Afghanistan. Those inside Afghanistan who planned and paid for the 9/11 attacks invited the Americans and coalition forces to invade them again.

I have the awful feeling you really believe the Afghans deserved 10 years of war because of the actions of a few.

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post Aug 5 2011, 09:08 AM
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I have the awful feeling you really believe the Afghans deserved 10 years of war because of the actions of a few.


Actually I don't. It should of ended five years ago if someone would of said Bin Laden was in Pakistan.
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Richard Garvie
post Aug 8 2011, 05:53 PM
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Anyone up for setting up a group to look at taking on the Control Tower and surrounding buildings for a community facility / museum?
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post Aug 8 2011, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Aug 5 2011, 10:08 AM) *
Actually I don't. It should of ended five years ago if someone would of said Bin Laden was in Pakistan.

Ah, I see, 5 years not 10.
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post Aug 9 2011, 06:56 AM
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Ah, I see, 5 years not 10.


****, if Bin Laden was killed by the first bomb dropped that would of been good enough..
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