Allotments on the One Show, Greenwich allotmenteers fight 200% rent hike Options

[Andy Capp]

The truth is that Simon will not answer the question. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PROPOSAL. Did the council aggree to it. was it a year ago. Has it been mentioned this year. Come on kirby, why dont you answer, or can you only look at panda books.

Nothing has happened yet, but that doesn't mean it won't happen in the future, and that is the point he is making.

[dannyboy]

I think SK is trying to allude that a £250pa rent is more than just wishful thinking from NTC.

too much belief in Bertrand Russell - What is new in our time is the increased power of the authorities to enforce their prejudices.

[Andy Capp]

I think SK is trying to allude that a £250pa rent is more than just wishful thinking from NTC.

too much belief in Bertrand Russell - What is new in our time is the increased power of the authorities to enforce their prejudices.

That is right.

too much belief in Vegetius - Si vis pacem, para bellum

[dannyboy]

That is right.

too much belief in Vegetius - Si vis pacem, para bellum

The only thing that will redeem mankind is co-operation.

[Andy Capp]

The only thing that will redeem mankind is co-operation.

In this case that would require mediation, but it seems however, if SK is to be believed, the Council are refusing to enter into discussion.

[dannyboy]

In this case that would require mediation, but it seems however, if SK is to be believed, the Council are refusing to enter into discussion.

The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holder’s lack of rational conviction

Could there be a Bertrand Russell quote for every occasion?

[Andy Capp]

Yes: Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

[Simon Kirby]

I think SK is trying to allude that a £250pa rent is more than just wishful thinking from NTC.

I'm being quite direct about it. NTC have already proposed £250 for a full plot, so it's more than an outside possibility in the near future because there's now a precedent from several councils to charge more or less the full cost of the service, and for local government to subsidise allotments while day-centres close is grotesque.

The only think that makes £250 unlikely in Newbury is that the Town Council don't want to push their allotmenteers too far and risk an organised challenge for self-management, because there's a precedent for that too now.

[Simon Kirby]

In this case that would require mediation, but it seems however, if SK is to be believed, the Council are refusing to enter into discussion.

For the record I would still very much like to resolve the present situation, and if anyone with standing can bring the Town Council to the table then they would have my thanks.

[panda]

I'm being quite direct about it. NTC have already proposed £250 for a full plot, so it's more than an outside possibility in the near future because there's now a precedent from several councils to charge more or less the full cost of the service, and for local government to subsidise allotments while day-centres close is grotesque.

The only think that makes £250 unlikely in Newbury is that the Town Council don't want to push their allotmenteers too far and risk an organised challenge for self-management, because there's a precedent for that too now.

So you can see into the future now. Your quite sad really. I new you couldn't resist talking about allotments again and again and again

[Andy Capp]

So you can see into the future now. Your quite sad really. I new you couldn't resist talking about allotments again and again and again

What do you expect with a thread of called Allotments on the One Show? You must be a Newbury councillor.

Would you start a thread about something interesting?

[user23]

So you can see into the future now. Your quite sad really. I new you couldn't resist talking about allotments again and again and again

It's all he can talk about.

[the bloke on the...]

It's all he can talk about.

erm, I think Simon has also been talking about some sort of Hydro-Power project on this forum.

if you are going to slate someone,at least do a little research!!

[panda]

erm, I think Simon has also been talking about some sort of Hydro-Power project on this forum.

if you are going to slate someone,at least do a little research!!

Did anyone go to that hydro-power meeting from this forum

[the bloke on the...]

Did anyone go to that hydro-power meeting from this forum

erm, please read the forum for yourself!
the answer to that question is on there

[user23]

erm, I think Simon has also been talking about some sort of Hydro-Power project on this forum.

if you are going to slate someone,at least do a little research!!

He probably thinks it will provide power to nearby allotments.

[Simon Kirby]

So you can see into the future now. Your quite sad really. I new you couldn't resist talking about allotments again and again and again

Panda, seriously now: This is a discussion forum - you clearly have a problem with what I post here about allotments but you're not saying what it is, and it could genuinely be constructive if you did. If you don't feel able to post openly then you're welcome to PM me.

If you're a council officer then I am genuinely sorry that your council has made it necessary to have the self-management debate in public like this - really, it's not how I'd have chosen to discuss it and I can understand how what I say will be upsetting - really, I'm sorry about that.

If you're an allotmenteer then you'll be aware that I started an allotment society to represent the allotmenteers' interests and create a democratic forum, and you may also know some of the interests who made it their business to undermine that. What do you want from this?

If you're a councillor, then why not work with me.

[the bloke on the...]

He probably thinks it will provide power to nearby allotments.

now look who is getting allotments into every post!! LOL

[panda]

Panda, seriously now: This is a discussion forum - you clearly have a problem with what I post here about allotments but you're not saying what it is, and it could genuinely be constructive if you did. If you don't feel able to post openly then you're welcome to PM me.

If you're a council officer then I am genuinely sorry that your council has made it necessary to have the self-management debate in public like this - really, it's not how I'd have chosen to discuss it and I can understand how what I say will be upsetting - really, I'm sorry about that.

If you're an allotmenteer then you'll be aware that I started an allotment society to represent the allotmenteers' interests and create a democratic forum, and you may also know some of the interests who made it their business to undermine that. What do you want from this?

If you're a councillor, then why not work with me.

The problem i have is that you tell only half the story, tell only half the facts and are misleading people on here. You tell people only what YOU want them them to hear.

[the bloke on the...]

The problem i have is that you tell only half the story, tell only half the facts and are misleading people on here. You tell people only what YOU want them them to hear.

panda, if you have the other side of the story ( as you are alluding) please feel free to add something to this thread, instead of just negative responses about other posters.