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Newbury Town Council and Travellers, Discrimination? |
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Jun 29 2011, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 29 2011, 05:29 PM) Are 'travellers' an ethnic group? Gypsies may be an ethnic group - but not all travellers are gypsies and not all gypsies are travellers.
Is there a policy that discriminates against travellers - or just the lack of a policy that discriminates in favour of travellers?
My view, for what its worth, is that councils should provide sites for travellers to pause for a while in their travels. However, if they want to settle then they should join the rest of us in finding housing within the constraints of the planning system. I agree somewhat with what you say, certainly permanent sites are better than travellers pitching up on grass verges. I find this sentance the most disturbing: "Because of the undesirable effects of the travelling way of life on receipt of social services, especially education (2.5)" Are they saying that children from travelling families should not attend school? It's interesting that it has now been removed from the agenda, but still no details of who wrote these words.
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Jun 29 2011, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jun 29 2011, 06:55 PM) I agree somewhat with what you say, certainly permanent sites are better than travellers pitching up on grass verges. I find this sentance the most disturbing:
"Because of the undesirable effects of the travelling way of life on receipt of social services, especially education (2.5)"
Are they saying that children from travelling families should not attend school? It's interesting that it has now been removed from the agenda, but still no details of who wrote these words. Whos words are these Richard? What is the paper that's referenced? What are the circumstances of this text being suppressed from the agenda?
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Jun 29 2011, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jun 29 2011, 06:55 PM) I agree somewhat with what you say, certainly permanent sites are better than travellers pitching up on grass verges. I find this sentance the most disturbing:
"Because of the undesirable effects of the travelling way of life on receipt of social services, especially education (2.5)"
Are they saying that children from travelling families should not attend school? It's interesting that it has now been removed from the agenda, but still no details of who wrote these words. Or are the words just a politically 'incorrect' term that actually tell the truth? Maybe, because of the travelling lifestyle, children never settle into education and the society of a school, and therefore tend to suck in extra teaching resources until they move on? Those (human) resources tend to be expensive as they are only employable short term.... If servicing the particular needs of the travelling fraternity (and very few travellers I have come across are other than people who have selected a lifestyle, not ethnic Romany) are disproportionate is it not right that should be said and dealt with?
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Jun 29 2011, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER) Should 'we' provide services to accommodate all and any elements of the population who choose to live their life in a way that disadvantages others? Well we do with failed bankers and politicians.
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Jun 30 2011, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jun 29 2011, 11:51 PM) Do the government not insist on traveller management plans and such like? Or is that another thing the coalition have scrapped? Do those plans have to be made and delivered by Town (Parish) Councils? Maybe I'm mistaken but I thought they were (here) a WBC responsibility. All NTC seem to say is that they will not contribute resources. Seems like honesty and transparency to me.
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Jun 30 2011, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jun 30 2011, 11:50 AM) I think people might be more tolerant of travellers if they didn't leave such a mess behind them when they move on. Why are Blackdog, JeffG and me the only sensible people on this forum?
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Jun 30 2011, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (Brewmaster @ Jun 30 2011, 11:54 AM) Why are Blackdog, JeffG and me the only sensible people on this forum? I'm with you guys on this one. The very reason politicians and those in positions of public authority don't speak plainly is exactly because there are those snapping at the heels waiting to pounce on anything that is said (even if it is common sense and the feeling shared by a majority of people), and label it as some form of descrimination. I read the comment about education and came to the same conclusion as NWNREADER, that providing education for children whose current level of education may be very poor, and whose parents frequently move them on after a short time is a difficult and, I'm sure, expensive thing to do, and is to the detrement of other children.
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Jun 30 2011, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE (massifheed @ Jun 30 2011, 12:23 PM) I read the comment about education and came to the same conclusion as NWNREADER, that providing education for children whose current level of education may be very poor, and whose parents frequently move them on after a short time is a difficult and, I'm sure, expensive thing to do, and is to the detrement of other children. That's how I read it.
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Jul 4 2011, 07:24 AM
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The Last 'Respectable' form of Racism
Britain's Gypsy/Roma/Traveller community has existed as a separate ethnic and cultural group for about 500 years. They have throughout this time suffered from both covert and overt discrimination. The intolerance shown towards these communities is still very obvious, and is even enshrined within some of the policies and procedures of our public authorities.
Protected under the Race Relations Act
Roma, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are now all recognised to have protection under the Race Relations Act as they have been finally recognised as minority ethnic communities in law.
Roma Romany Gypsies who have arrived in the U.K. this century. Most have come as refugees or asylum seekers from Eastern Europe where they have often been subject to racist attacks.
Romany Gypsies The largest group of Travellers in the U.K. They first arrived in England in the 1500’s and were thought to have come from Egypt and so were called Egyptians. This was shortened to ‘Gypsy.’ They had originally travelled from Northern India from about 1000 A.D. They generally speak Romani, which originated from Sanskrit spoken in India. Most Gypsies use English as a first language and retain Romani for family and community use. English Romani having English syntax and Romani words.
Travellers Irish Travellers were first seen in the 1100’s and spoke Shelta, an Irish Travellers’ language.
Whether such communities have a nomadic or 'settled' lifestyle, they should be afforded equitable rights, and they should not suffer from poorer public services, that ultimately leads to reduced longevity and education standards.
Sites should be equipped with all of the services necessary, and sited in areas that allows for easy access to those things that the rest of us take for granted such as shops and schools, etc.
As the General Secretary to the West Berkshire Minority Ethnic Forum, I commend Richard Garvie for highlighting this specific issue. Surely the Districts mantra of 'A Great Place to Live' should be inclusive of ALL communities, and not just those who conform to societies very limiting 'norms'?
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