Why do Armchair Anarchists think Raoul Moat is now a cult hero? Options

[Irish John]

Those with far too much time on their Facebook twittering hands appear to be promoting a mentally unstable deadman to cult hero status. Facebook are refusing to delete said deadman's account. However despite Facebook's shameless self promotion (of which they need little anyway) why would a country get behind another pathetic gunmen in a long line of pathetic english gunmen? Would the same people be praising the Hungerford massacre had it happened now? Discuss...

[dannyboy]

He use to make his 4 year old daughter sit outside with a plaque around her neck saying 'i have been naughty' for 2 hours which is just awful

It could have been worse - he could have sent her to sew the soles on cheap trainers of forage in the local tip. But that is okay though, isn't it?

[Rosewinelover]

He use to make his 4 year old daughter sit outside with a plaque around her neck saying 'i have been naughty' for 2 hours which is just awful

It could have been worse - he could have sent her to sew the soles on cheap trainers of forage in the local tip. But that is okay though, isn't it?

In another country I wouldn't of been surprised

[dannyboy]

In another country I wouldn't of been surprised

In other countries you can got to stonings too.

[Rosewinelover]

In other countries you can got to stonings too.

Eh?

[dannyboy]

Eh?

You expressed a wish to stone to death an ill man. In other countries you'd be able to go and watch such a spectacle.

[Rosewinelover]

You expressed a wish to stone to death an ill man. In other countries you'd be able to go and watch such a spectacle.

Ah, so the Yorkshire Ripper is ill is he....mmmmm

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Ah, so the Yorkshire Ripper is ill is he....mmmmm

Do gooders will always be on the side of such evil men I am afraid. DannyBoy fits that bill. I think we ought to get him to dress up as a trannie and go pay Mr Sutcliffe a visit.
It would be a good way of seeing if he had been 'rehabilitated'

[dannyboy]

Do gooders will always be on the side of such evil men I am afraid. DannyBoy fits that bill. I think we ought to get him to dress up as a trannie and go pay Mr Sutcliffe a visit.
It would be a good way of seeing if he had been 'rehabilitated'

Err, where did I say he should be let out? Or that he had been rehabilitated?

Rather twisted that you think a 'trannie' should be used to test a disturbed man's state of mind.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Err, where did I say he should be let out? Or that he had been rehabilitated?

Rather twisted that you think a 'trannie' should be used to test a disturbed man's state of mind.

Dannyboy - Get a grip man. It was a joke on YOUR expense. People have differing views on subjects like this. If he had killed my Mum I'd still want him dead. And I'd quite happily perform the task in hand. Its is not one of those cases where there is any doubt about his guilt in any case. The man was / is evil and deserves his life in jail at the very least.

You appear to belong to the group of people that is in the 'forgive and forget' mentality. It's not one that I agree with personally but you do have the right to free speech.

[dannyboy]

You appear to belong to the group of people that is in the 'forgive and forget' mentality. It's not one that I agree with personally but you do have the right to free speech.

Nope. He should remain in Hospital. He is a sick & dangerous man. Sick, as in ill & therefore in need of treatment.
I don't agree with the lynch mob mentality of capital punishment. Bloggo is happy to accept that a few innocent people would go to the gallows. No thanks.

[Bloggo]

Nope. He should remain in Hospital. He is a sick & dangerous man. Sick, as in ill & therefore in need of treatment.
I don't agree with the lynch mob mentality of capital punishment. Bloggo is happy to accept that a few innocent people would go to the gallows. No thanks.

I respect your view.
A few innocent people may go to the gallows and I can't deny that. However I believe it would save the lives of countless others from being willfully slaughtered by criminals for whom prison is not a deterent.

[Iommi]

I respect your view. A few innocent people may go to the gallows and I can't deny that. However I believe it would save the lives of countless others from being willfully slaughtered by criminals for whom prison is not a deterent.

If someone has been sent to the gallows, then that suggests that they have already committed the crime. My understanding is that people who are determined to kill are not put-off by the prospect of capitol punishment. Indeed, people who are, just enlist the vulnerable to their dirty work for them.

[Bloggo]

If someone has been sent to the gallows, then that suggests that they have already committed the crime.

Yes and there will always be some that either think the risk is worth it or just don't care.

My understanding is that people who are determined to kill are not put-off by the prospect of capitol punishment.

Maybe but those that kill because there is no deterent that they fear would be stopped by the fear of being hung.

Indeed, people who are, just enlist the vulnerable to their dirty work for them.

How do you know that. Have an example?

[Iommi]

Yes and there will always be some that either think the risk is worth it or just don't care. Maybe but those that kill because there is no deterent that they fear would be stopped by the fear of being hung. How do you know that. Have an example?

I'd like to ask you the same question with your outlook on this.

The reason I know, is that is what I would do to avoid the gallows. That's what gangsters did and do.

A while back, a footballer was found to be involved in a extortion scandal - he was 'ordered' to pay protection money. There was a bloke from a member of the gang who said that, if he was 'ordered' to go and kill someone, he would. He wouldn't want to, but he said if he refused, he or his family would get it instead.

This is just one off the top of my head.

[Bloggo]

I'd like to ask you the same question with your outlook on this.

Well, I have said previously, this is my believe.

The reason I know, is that is what I would do to avoid the gallows. That's what gangsters did and do.

Probably true but I don't think it changes anything.

A while back, a footballer was found to be involved in a extortion scandal - he was 'ordered' to pay protection money.

Not sure the relavance of this?

There was a bloke from a member of the gang who said that, if he was 'ordered' to go and kill someone, he would. He wouldn't want to, but he said if he refused, he or his family would get it instead.

Again, I don't think this changes my argument. The chap could have chosen to go to the police rather than kill against his will.

[Iommi]

Not sure the relavance of this?

It's connected with the next passage.

Again, I don't think this changes my argument. The chap could have chosen to go to the police rather than kill against his will.

You sound ignorant of how life in the inner city works. Going to the bill could just possibly be the worst move you make if you value your family's well being.

[Bloggo]

It's connected with the next passage.


You sound ignorant of how life in the inner city works. Going to the bill could just possibly be the worst move you make if you value your family.

No, I am not ignorant, as you charmingly put it, about inner city life. I grew up there.
The point I make is that the chap you talk about would in my world risk the death penalty by killing under orders or risk retribution from the gang by going to the police.
There is no excuse for wantonly taking the life of an innocent person.

It is a pity that we live in a world where someone may have to make that choice but that is another debate.

[Iommi]

No, I am not ignorant, as you charmingly put it, about inner city life. I grew up there.

Which might have been a different place than now. You objected to my word ignorant, what word would you suggest I use to mean the same thing?

The point I make is that the chap you talk about would in my world risk the death penalty by killing under orders or risk retribution from the gang by going to the police. There is no excuse for wantonly taking the life of an innocent person.

There might not be for a level headed person like you, but not everyone thinks and behaves like you. These people I'm talking about are black gangs, possibly the post deprived members of inner city life.

It is a pity that we live in a world where someone may have to make that choice but that is another debate.

I don't think it is, it is all connected. Like I said, in your world, it is possible the vulnerable are the ones most effected.

[Bloggo]

Which might have been a different place than now. You objected to my word ignorant, what word would you suggest I use to mean the same thing?

Yes, It was different then as we were probably less well informed and I don't recall the same incidence of knife and gun crime. Also crimes against children were rarer. Maybe it was the same but we just did not hear about it.
How about "ill informed" or "misled"?

There might not be for a level headed person like you, but not everyone thinks and behaves like you. These people I'm talking about are black gangs, possibly the post deprived members of inner city life.

It is probably no advisable to single out a specific group of gang memebers here as someone will, no doubt, take exception. But I understand your view.

I don't think it is, it is all connected. Like I said, in your world, it is possible the vulnerable are the ones most effected.

Well again I understand what you are saying but I do stand by my original statement regarding the neccessity for the reinstatement of Capital punishment.