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post Apr 14 2010, 09:35 PM
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Labour & immigrants.



Labour has presided over the single biggest intake of immigrants in British history. Since 1997, 7.1 m people have come to this country. Swelling the numbers were citizens of the eight central and eastern European countries that joined the European Union in 2004: Britain was one of only three old EU members to allow them, to come to work without restrictions. As more than a million arrived in four years, Poles became the single largest foreign national group in Britain, up from the 13th largest. Britain is expected to hit 70m within 20 years thanks to immigrants.

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post Apr 14 2010, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Apr 14 2010, 10:35 PM) *
Labour & immigrants.



Labour has presided over the single biggest intake of immigrants in British history. Since 1997, 7.1 m people have come to this country. Swelling the numbers were citizens of the eight central and eastern European countries that joined the European Union in 2004: Britain was one of only three old EU members to allow them, to come to work without restrictions. As more than a million arrived in four years, Poles became the single largest foreign national group in Britain, up from the 13th largest. Britain is expected to hit 70m within 20 years thanks to immigrants.


Do you know how many migrants there have been during the same period?


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post Apr 15 2010, 03:29 AM
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post Apr 15 2010, 05:49 AM
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post Apr 15 2010, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Apr 14 2010, 10:35 PM) *
Labour & immigrants.



Labour has presided over the single biggest intake of immigrants in British history. Since 1997, 7.1 m people have come to this country. Swelling the numbers were citizens of the eight central and eastern European countries that joined the European Union in 2004: Britain was one of only three old EU members to allow them, to come to work without restrictions. As more than a million arrived in four years, Poles became the single largest foreign national group in Britain, up from the 13th largest. Britain is expected to hit 70m within 20 years thanks to immigrants.

Although not an expert in British Immigration figures, it does seem rather a high one but I guess it's a "double edged sword" as it has provided badly needed workers for industry because so many of the indigenious Brits can't or won't work and prefer to waste away their lives on benefits.
It's the figures for the illegal immigrants that would be interesting if we knew the true figure.
The contro of immigration does appear to be lax but that's just my opinion.


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post Apr 15 2010, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Apr 15 2010, 08:45 AM) *
Although not an expert in British Immigration figures, it does seem rather a high one but I guess it's a "double edged sword" as it has provided badly needed workers for industry because so many of the indigenious Brits can't or won't work and prefer to waste away their lives on benefits.


Does this include the 5,000 protesters in Grimsby when italian and portugese workers were shipped in on a floating hotel for the construction industry? Or the 70,000 who marched against the ferry companies replacing local workers with immigrants?
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post Apr 15 2010, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2010, 12:48 AM) *
Do you know how many migrants there have been during the same period?


According to the Economist - where I got what I put in the main thread - not as many. In other words more are coming in, than going out.
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post Apr 15 2010, 07:09 PM
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Some confusion of terminology here: immigrant = arriving, emigrant = leaving, migrant = either way.
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post Apr 15 2010, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 15 2010, 08:09 PM) *
Some confusion of terminology here: immigrant = arriving, emigrant = leaving, migrant = either way.

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An interesting graph I found.


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post Apr 15 2010, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 15 2010, 08:09 PM) *
Some confusion of terminology here: immigrant = arriving, emigrant = leaving, migrant = either way.


As you said 'migrant' either way, but I am sure people get the drift. There is no confusion over terminology unless you are confused? wink.gif

I used the word 'migrant' instead of 'emirgant' because that was what Andy used and as I knew what he meant I kept it the same.
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post Apr 26 2010, 04:14 PM
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Wasn't it the Tories who began the break up of our border control/police force in John Major's era?
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post Apr 26 2010, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (Ozzy @ Apr 26 2010, 05:14 PM) *
Wasn't it the Tories who began the break up of our border control/police force in John Major's era?

So what?

10+ years of New Labour is ample time to have reversed the situation.
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post Apr 26 2010, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (Ozzy @ Apr 26 2010, 05:14 PM) *
Wasn't it the Tories who began the break up of our border control/police force in John Major's era?



Whatever the Tories did or didn't do that was 13 years ago. We've had a Labour government since.
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post Apr 27 2010, 12:30 PM
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Neither of you actually answered my question directly but based on your defensive response the actual answer was yes.

To apportion blame won't solve the problem so 'who has had what time in government' is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The crux of the issue here is actually the EU. As part of the EU, the current government or any future government for that matter cannot simply shut the door on immigration.

Citizens of the European Union have the right to live and work in any member state - that's the real debate.

In 2008, 590,000 people arrived to live in the UK whilst 427,000 left, meaning that net inward migration was 163,000.

Closing the doors on immigration could also mean the estimated 5.5 million British-born people living abroad may have to return as well.
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post Apr 27 2010, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE (Ozzy @ Apr 27 2010, 01:30 PM) *
Neither of you actually answered my question directly but based on your defensive response the actual answer was yes.

To apportion blame won't solve the problem so 'who has had what time in government' is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The crux of the issue here is actually the EU. As part of the EU, the current government or any future government for that matter cannot simply shut the door on immigration.

Citizens of the European Union have the right to live and work in any member state - that's the real debate.

In 2008, 590,000 people arrived to live in the UK whilst 427,000 left, meaning that net inward migration was 163,000.

Closing the doors on immigration could also mean the estimated 5.5 million British-born people living abroad may have to return as well.

Do your figures include non-EU citizens who have been given leave to settle here?
And lets not lose sight of the number of illegal imigrants presently in the country of which no one in the goverment has a clue how many there are.


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post Apr 27 2010, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE (Ozzy @ Apr 27 2010, 01:30 PM) *
Neither of you actually answered my question directly but based on your defensive response the actual answer was yes.

To apportion blame won't solve the problem so 'who has had what time in government' is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The crux of the issue here is actually the EU. As part of the EU, the current government or any future government for that matter cannot simply shut the door on immigration.

Citizens of the European Union have the right to live and work in any member state - that's the real debate.

In 2008, 590,000 people arrived to live in the UK whilst 427,000 left, meaning that net inward migration was 163,000.

Closing the doors on immigration could also mean the estimated 5.5 million British-born people living abroad may have to return as well.

Do your figures include non-EU citizens who have been given leave to settle here?
And lets not lose sight of the number of illegal imigrants presently in the country of which no one in the goverment has a clue how many there are.


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QUOTE (Ozzy @ Apr 27 2010, 01:30 PM) *
Neither of you actually answered my question directly but based on your defensive response the actual answer was yes.

To apportion blame won't solve the problem so 'who has had what time in government' is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The crux of the issue here is actually the EU. As part of the EU, the current government or any future government for that matter cannot simply shut the door on immigration.

Citizens of the European Union have the right to live and work in any member state - that's the real debate.

In 2008, 590,000 people arrived to live in the UK whilst 427,000 left, meaning that net inward migration was 163,000.

Closing the doors on immigration could also mean the estimated 5.5 million British-born people living abroad may have to return as well.

Do your figures include non-EU citizens who have been given leave to settle here?
And lets not lose sight of the number of illegal imigrants presently in the country of which no one in the goverment has a clue how many there are.


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post Apr 27 2010, 12:53 PM
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Sorry about that, not sure what happened.


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post Apr 27 2010, 01:10 PM
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Sorry about that, not sure what happened.


You were three times as angry wink.gif

And you are absolutely right on the number of illegal imigrants. All parties are clueless on this figure.

However, I did hear Nick Clegg propose an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been in the country for ten years.

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post Apr 27 2010, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE (Ozzy @ Apr 27 2010, 02:10 PM) *
You were three times as angry wink.gif

And you are absolutely right on the number of illegal imigrants. All parties are clueless on this figure.

However, I did hear Nick Clegg propose an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been in the country for ten years.

Not sure that I would agree with this. Firstly I would want to know the figures. Secondly I would want to be sure that none of them were engaged in criminal activity and given that they have lived here for ten years I can't see how they could not have been. Lastly I would not want this to be the catalist for allowing all of their dependants to start arriving.


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