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Simon Kirby
post Apr 21 2016, 07:05 AM
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Madge is 90 today, and I'm wondering if she shouldn't now be our last ceremonial monarch. Hereditary overlords are just so 11th century and I wonder that we wouldn't now be a little more comfortable as a republic.


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Andy Capp
post Apr 21 2016, 07:07 AM
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Having seen both examples, I'm not sure either are better than the other.
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post Apr 21 2016, 09:01 AM
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No; it's what defines the essence of our race; hanging on to pointless ceremonial things. In the pretend 'Royal' County of Berkshire, we have a Lord Lieutenant and a gaggle of Mayors without any real purpose or authority. We also now have lots of 'just for old time sake' pointless and powerless aristocrats. We award honours from our defunct Empire which still exists in ceremonial form as the Commonwealth, which is another purposeless organisation. So, take out the monarch? Not a chance!

In the event of a 'no' vote; what are the odds to say we'd simply stay in because we'd want to keep our Commissioners 'for ceremonial purposes'?

Stop arguing, you'd look fetching in your public funded fur trimmed overalls set off with a pubic wig!


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post Apr 21 2016, 09:20 AM
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Having seen the quality of the contestants for the most powerful current republic, I think that a constitutional monarchy might have the edge.
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post Apr 21 2016, 10:08 AM
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Tony Blair for president!


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post Apr 21 2016, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 21 2016, 10:20 AM) *
Having seen the quality of the contestants for the most powerful current republic, I think that a constitutional monarchy might have the edge.

There is no need for any head of state at all, nor any House of Lords. Like the majority of Northern European states we could do perfectly well with a unicameral system of national government.


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post Apr 21 2016, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 21 2016, 11:08 AM) *
Tony Blair for president!

Let's just not have a head of state. We have Parliament, and all politicking aside, Parliament is a worthy institution, and we don't need to elevate any individual above it.


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post Apr 21 2016, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 21 2016, 12:05 PM) *
Let's just not have a head of state. We have Parliament, and all politicking aside, Parliament is a worthy institution, and we don't need to elevate any individual above it.

I'd suspect the Queen is more popular than Parliament.
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post Apr 21 2016, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 21 2016, 12:42 PM) *
I'd suspect the Queen is more popular than Parliament.



I'd expect most pop groups to be more popular than Parliament... tongue.gif
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post Apr 21 2016, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 21 2016, 12:42 PM) *
I'd suspect the Queen is more popular than Parliament.

Gonorrhoea is more popular than Parliament.


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post Apr 21 2016, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 21 2016, 02:40 PM) *
Gonorrhoea is more popular than Parliament.

I suspect that you're more popular than Parliament. laugh.gif


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post Apr 21 2016, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 21 2016, 08:05 AM) *
Madge is 90 today, and I'm wondering if she shouldn't now be our last ceremonial monarch. Hereditary overlords are just so 11th century and I wonder that we wouldn't now be a little more comfortable as a republic.


If you have a republic you then would have a political head of state. At least the Queen is neutral and is there by public demand. Just imagine a Blair or Cameron President. I'll stick with the Queen.

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post Apr 21 2016, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 21 2016, 11:53 AM) *
There is no need for any head of state at all, nor any House of Lords. Like the majority of Northern European states we could do perfectly well with a unicameral system of national government.





I bet you would prefer Corbyn as your leader or head of state? Hail Corbyn and sod the rest!

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post Apr 21 2016, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Apr 21 2016, 07:48 PM) *
I bet you would prefer Corbyn as your leader or head of state? Hail Corbyn and sod the rest!

Not quite:

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 21 2016, 12:05 PM) *
Let's just not have a head of state. We have Parliament, and all politicking aside, Parliament is a worthy institution, and we don't need to elevate any individual above it.
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post Apr 21 2016, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Apr 21 2016, 07:47 PM) *
If you have a republic you then would have a political head of state. At least the Queen is neutral and is there by public demand. Just imagine a Blair or Cameron President. I'll stick with the Queen.

Not so. Madge is a ceremonial head of state, and the business of government would contine as now if there was no monarch, there'd be no need to replace the monarchy with anything at all.


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post Apr 21 2016, 08:16 PM
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NZ voted to abolish the monarchy, but kept the concept of the Crown. It works in exactly the way Simon K envisages.


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post Apr 22 2016, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 21 2016, 09:16 PM) *
NZ voted to abolish the monarchy, but kept the concept of the Crown. It works in exactly the way Simon K envisages.


Australia voted to whether keep the monarchy or not, but I didn't know that NZ did as well.

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post Apr 22 2016, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 21 2016, 08:31 PM) *
Not so. Madge is a ceremonial head of state, and the business of government would contine as now if there was no monarch, there'd be no need to replace the monarchy with anything at all.





According to the expects you need an over checker (unless you have a constitution). We also mustn't forget that the Monarchy brings a lot of tourism into this country and she is popular.

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post Apr 22 2016, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Apr 22 2016, 04:22 PM) *
According to the expects you need an over checker (unless you have a constitution). We also mustn't forget that the Monarchy brings a lot of tourism into this country and she is popular.

MacDonalds is very popular, doesn't mean it's good for the Country though.


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post Apr 22 2016, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 22 2016, 05:01 PM) *
MacDonalds is very popular, doesn't mean it's good for the Country though.


No, but the Queen is.




I was listening to Ken Livingstone, who is a republic, and he said that he didn't fancy a politician who was head of state.

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