Margaret Thatcher Options

[Weavers Walk]

I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong.

You must be used to it.

[Blake]

You cannot possibly heap blame on her for present day maladies.

There is the small matter of the crap governments we had since; anyone remember a Prime Minister who unambiguously claimed to have "put and end to boom and bust!" or Tony Blair's serial ineptitude on everything from giving us a flood of unnecessary immigrants, a failure to build new homes and much else.

[motormad]

How pompous. She can't hear you and I doubt if anyone here particularly gives a tos5 who you salute. Big Head.

Lol how weird is that, my username on another forum is Dr Doctor, maybe we can be friends.

[Dodgys smarter b...]

Can everyone just calm down?


Time for some sanity.

[stewiegriffin]

You cannot possibly heap blame on her for present day maladies.

You cannot possibly be serious.

Blair/Brown were a disaster. No argument there. That doesn't excuse Thatcher. Many of the problems we face today are directly attributable to Thatcher. The fact that subsequent PM's have also failed is hardly the point.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

How pompous. She can't hear you and I doubt if anyone here particularly gives a tos5 who you salute. Big Head.

Pr!ck

[TallDarkAndHands...]

You must be used to it.

Where as you are right ALL the time about everything. It must be nice to be perfect.

[motormad]

Pr!ck

Oh aren't you nice.

[Blake]

I am totally serious.

Nobody is going to be giving eulogies like those today for Tony Blair, and certainly not Gordon Brown when they are dead.

We will be living with the wreckage New Labour inflicted on us for a very long time.

[motormad]

Oh seriously bugger off.
The country is screwed to a variety of factors and to blame the Labour Government for everything is stupid.

[Andy Capp]

Any chance that the people to really 'blame' for anything good or bad any prime minister has done, is themselves and the people around them.

"The public gets what the public wants."

[Andy Capp]

Oh seriously b***er off.
The country is screwed to a variety of factors and to blame the Labour Government for everything is stupid.

You swear too? Wow!

[Samantha]

Pr!ck

Love a man who can argue his case with erudition, facts and wide ranging vocabulary.

Sadly, this doesn't seem to be one. TDH, you were being pompous, you were called out. You resorted to foul language.

#thethingsloserssay.

[Exhausted]

Love a man who can argue his case with erudition, facts and wide ranging vocabulary.

Sadly, this doesn't seem to be one. TDH, you were being pompous, you were called out. You resorted to foul language.

#thethingsloserssay.

I thought that was an OK reply to a crass comment.

[motormad]

It's not crass if it's true.

[Simon Kirby]

Any chance that the people to really 'blame' for anything good or bad any prime minister has done, is themselves and the people around them.

"The public gets what the public wants."

I associate the 80's Zeitgeist of conspicuous consumption and greed with Thatcherism, mainly because of the images of champers-quaffing yuppies getting-rich-quick on the floatation of public assets and deregulated financial institutions. Thatcher was responsible for the privatisation, but I don't know how much she was responsible for the consumption and greed. I think that's more easily seen as a reaction to the naff dreary 70's, and quite possibly has more to do with Dallas on the TV than domestic politics.

For me Thatcher's legacy was the closure of the uncompetitive heavy and manufacturing industries without any replacement. British industry had virtually stood still since the Great War and certainly since the thirties, so while Europe and Asia had been modernising and reconstructing since 1945, Blighty went into the 70's still coming to terms with the loss of Empire. Thatcher defeated the unions who had dogged the decade, but she did nothing to reconstruct and modernise British manufacturing, and the social despair that created in Wales and the North is still an appalling legacy.

Britain has some of the best universities in the world and Brits have a long tradition of invention, innovation and imagination, yet we're still waiting for a government to embrace that and give us something more than call centres to work in, though again this is as much a problem of our class-bound society with chinless public school wonders assuming the reins of industry and government irrespective of their ability to lead. That was the promise of Thatcherism, a classless society and country of opportunity, but Conservatism reigns and we're sill a nation of Lions led by Donkeys.

[Andy Capp]

It's not crass if it's true.

Someone can say something crass whether it is true or not.

[motormad]

Someone can say something crass whether it is true or not.

Yes, at the expense of diluting the truth.

Something Maggie would not have done.

[On the edge]

I stand corrected. I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong.

Well actually TDH there were a good few people who thought Ted Heath was a Socialist anyway!

[stewiegriffin]

For those banging on about how she saved the economy:

Unemployment was under 1.5m in 1979. Over 2m in 1990, peaking at well over 3m.

GDP was lower in 1990 than 1979

Interest rates were 12% in 1979, 14% in 1990

House prices more than doubled during the Thatcher years

(source: BBC website)


Not exactly a stellar economic performance.