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Apr 22 2016, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Apr 22 2016, 05:15 PM) No, but the Queen is.
I was listening to Ken Livingstone, who is a republic, and he said that he didn't fancy a politician who was head of state. What, the Peoples Republic of Livingstone? Beyond our Ken I think.
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Apr 23 2016, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Apr 23 2016, 09:15 PM) Republicans here I suspect are mostly thinly veiled Marxists just like Tony Benn was. You don't need to look at monarchy through the prism of dialectical materialism to see that kingship is patently absurd, and if there was any defence of a ceremonial hereditary monarchy in a modern western democracy you should be able to find it without resorting to ill-considered ad hominem.
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Apr 23 2016, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 23 2016, 10:55 PM) You don't need to look at monarchy through the prism of dialectical materialism to see that kingship is patently absurd, and if there was any defence of a ceremonial hereditary monarchy in a modern western democracy you should be able to find it without resorting to ill-considered ad hominem. I suggest if you don't like living in this country as it is, you seriously consider clearing off to Russia. Good riddance.
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Apr 24 2016, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 24 2016, 01:46 AM) Britain hating lefties. Not a decent patriot amongst them. What is a 'decent patriot'? Presumably that ruled out all of the yes campaigners who want to stay with an organisation dedicated to a sovereign Europe. The end game is for any 'Head of State' in Europe to have as much power and influence as the Mayor of Thatcham.
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Apr 24 2016, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Apr 23 2016, 11:33 PM) I suggest if you don't like living in this country as it is, you seriously consider clearing off to Russia. Good riddance. Presumably that goes for all the Brexiters too? Or else you are just being very silly.
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Apr 24 2016, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2016, 02:10 PM) Presumably that goes for all the Brexiters too? Or else you are just being very silly. No he is serious, only those who do not agree with him need to leave though!
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Apr 25 2016, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 23 2016, 09:55 PM) You don't need to look at monarchy through the prism of dialectical materialism to see that kingship is patently absurd, and if there was any defence of a ceremonial hereditary monarchy in a modern western democracy you should be able to find it without resorting to ill-considered ad hominem. Pardon .
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Apr 25 2016, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (HJD @ Apr 25 2016, 04:51 PM) Pardon . One doesn't have to be a marxist to realise that having a king or queen in a modern western democracy is silly and even if there is a good reason for them, it should be able to be argued without being rude to people.
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Apr 25 2016, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Apr 23 2016, 11:33 PM) I suggest if you don't like living in this country as it is, you seriously consider clearing off to Russia. Good riddance. Do you have any arguments to refute Simon's opinion?
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Apr 25 2016, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 25 2016, 05:44 PM) One doesn't have to be a marxist to realise that having a king or queen in a modern western democracy is silly and even if there is a good reason for them, it should be able to be argued without being rude to people. Quite so, but more than that, the political philosophy of Marx - dialectical materialism - is bogus and doesn't even provide a valid framework within which to challenge monarchy. It's true that a Marxist is inevitably going to oppose monarchy, but supposing that a republican is a Marxist is as valid as supposing that my dog is a cat because, like a cat, it also has four legs. I would like to abandon our ceremonial monarchy because I find it incongruous to think of myself as a feudal subject in an enlightened western democracy and see hereditary overlords as a social order much more suited to the despotic regimes of Daesh and North Korea.
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Apr 27 2016, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 25 2016, 07:05 PM) I would like to abandon our ceremonial monarchy because I find it incongruous to think of myself as a feudal subject in an enlightened western democracy and see hereditary overlords as a social order much more suited to the despotic regimes of Daesh and North Korea. You've really upped the ante from the Town Council and allotments..
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Apr 28 2016, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 25 2016, 07:05 PM) I would like to abandon our ceremonial monarchy because I find it incongruous to think of myself as a feudal subject in an enlightened western democracy and see hereditary overlords as a social order much more suited to the despotic regimes of Daesh and North Korea. It is not s feudal monarchy we live under. It's a constitutional monarchy where the power rests with Parliament - not the Crown. So your argument starts from a false premise. Personally I prefer to be a subject of the UK Crown rather than a citizen of the EU
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Apr 28 2016, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 28 2016, 02:02 PM) Personally I prefer to be a subject of the UK Crown rather than a citizen of the EU I'm quite content being both.
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Apr 28 2016, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 28 2016, 02:02 PM) It is not s feudal monarchy we live under. It's a constitutional monarchy where the power rests with Parliament - not the Crown.
So your argument starts from a false premise. Yes like I say it's a ceremonial monarchy, but again, like I say, it's not about the technical details but more about how I, and society at large, feels about monarchy and the social order it engenders.
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