Cologne , Stuttgart , Hamburg, Sweden...? Options

[x2lls]

How is it rubbish? Can you explain why it is wrong?

Yes, I'm pleased you offer me the chance.

The Irish troubles were UK based, not global/western-Middle east.
Mass immigration was not the issue.
The IRA didn't attack western (or eastern) women on mass with their ill educated D.i.c.k.s.
The IRA argument didn't/don't base a fairy story belief on a pedophile marrying a nine year old.
Yes, the IRA went the awful, route of violence, which can never be excused. A positive and peaceful result was eventually reached through dialogue.


My fingers ache

[Andy Capp]

Change of mind. It is too late.

[On the edge]

How on earth you can you make any such comparison with the Irish troubles and today's issues just beggars belief.

Your interpretation is utter rubbish and is the best example of blindfolded stupidity.
Do you really think that a potential terrorist attack would be announced by WBC? LMFAO!!!

Well, at at least its not blind hatred.

I'm sorry you can't see the implications, or indeed why I used WBC as the body issuing such a suggestion. Of course WBC wouldn't announce an attack, but they would give advice and instruction to public event promoters, that's their job. There is no point in explaining any further.

We are presently remembering what happened 100 years ago at the moment. When the press was reporting that German soldiers were bayoneting babies and cutting breasts off women and so inflaming the same passions. They weren't following any religious belief; but simply wanted to expand their nation.

We like to think we are now immune to jingoism, clearly that's not the case..

[x2lls]

Well, at at least its not blind hatred.

I'm sorry you can't see the implications, or indeed why I used WBC as the body issuing such a suggestion. Of course WBC wouldn't announce an attack, but they would give advice and instruction to public event promoters, that's their job. There is no point in explaining any further.

We are presently remembering what happened 100 years ago at the moment. When the press was reporting that German soldiers were bayoneting babies and cutting breasts off women and so inflaming the same passions. They weren't following any religious belief; but simply wanted to expand their nation.

We like to think we are now immune to jingoism, clearly that's not the case..

A 100 years ago we didn't have the news sources we have today. The population didn't have access to the media outlets that are now available.

[Phil]

[newres]

A 100 years ago we didn't have the news sources we have today. The population didn't have access to the media outlets that are now available.

What's that got to do with it? The message got out of supposed German atrocities and it inflamed passions and drove recruitment and support for the war. In exactly the same way that all the current hype is doing. I remember during the Falklands War all the boneheads queueing up at recruitment centres. I remember being surprised in that I assumed the population was less inclined to "go over the top".

[On the edge]

A 100 years ago we didn't have the news sources we have today. The population didn't have access to the media outlets that are now available.

We have far more media delivery but ironically rather fewer disinterested reporters.

[x2lls]

We have far more media delivery but ironically rather fewer disinterested reporters.

Perhaps we should be looking at the alternatives. No one ever said that you only get news credibility from 'official' media outlets.
Since when did a business based on historical paper get preferential attention?
Just look up and listen in it's entirety, the video by a 16 year old girl from Germany.

Bibi Wilhailm

Yeah Yeah Yeah, you chose a source to back up your argument I hear, but we all do that.
Yes. One example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gQutr8qy4

I suggest, if you are to respond to my post, you find alternatives to counter.

[On the edge]

Perhaps we should be looking at the alternatives. No one ever said that you only get news credibility from 'official' media outlets.
Since when did a business based on historical paper get preferential attention?
Just look up and listen in it's entirety, the video by a 16 year old girl from Germany.

Bibi Wilhailm

Yeah Yeah Yeah, you chose a source to back up your argument I hear, but we all do that.
Yes. One example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gQutr8qy4

I suggest, if you are to respond to my post, you find alternatives to counter.

...and play electronic tennis? What would be the point of that?

[Andy Capp]

Perhaps we should be looking at the alternatives. No one ever said that you only get news credibility from 'official' media outlets.
Since when did a business based on historical paper get preferential attention?
Just look up and listen in it's entirety, the video by a 16 year old girl from Germany.

Bibi Wilhailm

Yeah Yeah Yeah, you chose a source to back up your argument I hear, but we all do that.
Yes. One example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gQutr8qy4

I suggest, if you are to respond to my post, you find alternatives to counter.

The old confirmation bias trick! 😋

[x2lls]

The old confirmation bias trick! 😋

I've already answered that old chestnut.

[Simon Kirby]

Perhaps we should be looking at the alternatives. No one ever said that you only get news credibility from 'official' media outlets.
Since when did a business based on historical paper get preferential attention?
Just look up and listen in it's entirety, the video by a 16 year old girl from Germany.

Bibi Wilhailm

Yeah Yeah Yeah, you chose a source to back up your argument I hear, but we all do that.
Yes. One example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gQutr8qy4

I suggest, if you are to respond to my post, you find alternatives to counter.

The uncorroborated testimony of a fifteen year old is hardly something to build an argument on, and while the child may genuinely fear Islamic foreigners that's not evidence of anything other than the child's fear.

And as you asked for counter-examples, here's one from today's NewburyToday - a Thatcham man up in court for attacking people outside a Newbury pub. That might be enough to reinforce a fear of people from Thatcham in some of the more delicate denizens of this fair parish.

[Andy Capp]

I've already answered that old chestnut.

I don't think you have.

[je suis Charlie]

Labours take on the matter,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/l...-night-out.html

[Exhausted]

Labours take on the matter, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/l...-night-out.html

As a politician, she should know better than to make generalised statements. She is however an individual and has probably watched a few UK police specials on TV and seen what she thinks is sexual harassment on a major scale. I suspect that in some instances, the alcohol consumed by both sexes has an effect on their behaviour towards each other and she should have realised that there is a mile of difference between that possibly mutual behaviour after a night out and the downright anti woman attitude of the middle eastern men who are raised to believe that women are chattel and can be treated as such. She should be taken aside by her party and given some severe retraining as to what are the facts and how she needs to portray them rather than trying to dumb it down by unfair comparisons.

[Simon Kirby]

Labours take on the matter,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/l...-night-out.html

The Torygraph bellows about "organised sexual assaults committed by gangs of migrants in Cologne", but have they presented evidence for that, or is it just a good old-fashioned blood libel? We've seen already how those with an agenda have hyped the incident by conflating it with the unrelated alleged rape of a girl 500km away, and this week Russia upped the tension with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov making an international incident over the alleged rape of a 13 year old Russian immigrant in Germany by what Russian television alleged to be asylum seekers, which now turns out to have been a fabrication.

The refugee crisis is a humanitarian disaster, but rather than coming to the aid of our fellow human beings, haters are casting these poor unfortunates as inhuman, wicked, undeserving, and dangerous - the conditions for these refugees are utterly intolerable, but we're turning a blind eye to their suffering, and in Holocaust remembrance week it's a sharp reminder of how easy it is for people to behave with brutality towards their fellow humans when they listen to the haters and stop thinking of them as people.

[je suis Charlie]

Doesn't make it any less true though, I think it a bit richfor you to talk of 'agenda's'.

[spartacus]

I suspect that in some instances, the alcohol consumed by both sexes has an effect on their behaviour towards each other and she should have realised that there is a mile of difference between that possibly mutual behaviour after a night out and the downright anti woman attitude of the middle eastern men who are raised to believe that women are chattel and can be treated as such.

Alternatively she could try visiting Germany in a few weeks time.... and hope that Karneval doesn't become a taharrush gamea event for the recently welcomed ausländer. That would be nothing like Birmingham on a Saturday night.

Many Germans are worried about the security for their Karneval weekends when cities in the Rheinland in particular are geared up for beer festivals where men and women imbibe a few. All possibility that things could get more nasty than they already are...

[je suis Charlie]

Or try Sweden, where gangs of men are taking to the streets in the wake of the murder of a young woman.

[Turin Machine]

The Torygraph bellows about "organised sexual assaults committed by gangs of migrants in Cologne",

So what was the take on it in The Morning Star?