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Simon Kirby
post Dec 15 2014, 06:52 PM
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Up for review at tonight's Community Service Committee is the NTC Service Budget.

There's the usual casual dishonesty about inflation rates. The allotment rent is now set 12 months in advance (the Council now recognise that this is the right thing to do), and the council are proposing to increase the rent "in line with a projected inflation for 2016/17" of 3.0%. They don't say where they got that projection from so I'm guessing they just made it up because the Bank of England's best estimate is that CPI inflation will stand at around 1.2% this time next year. This is a inventive way of getting around the problem they had last year when they lied about the current inflation rate, as now they still get to set the increase "in line with inflation", but they get to choose what that inflation figure is.

One of the real stinkers in this year's budget is the doubling of the market management fee from £6,000 annually to £12,000. There's no explanation for why the management cost is doubling. This fee is the money they give to one of the market traders to supervise the market on market day, and it is in addition to the £17.5k of service team staff costs. That's a lot of administration for a market that runs twice a week. The gross cost of running the market is £104k which includes all of the administration staff and back-office overheads, and with a rental income of £58,000 the cost to the tax-payer of providing the market was this year £46k, so that's likely to hit £50k next year.

The standout problem for the council is the cost of their office accommodation. They've been particularly rubbish at leasing rooms in their rambling Gothic mansion and this one item has added £10k to their budgeted town hall costs, and this puts the cost of their office accommodation at around £70k annually. You can rent an awful lot of decent office accommodation around Newbury to £70k. It wouldn't be so imposing, but it would save around 5% of the precept if the Council simply gave up the old town hall and took a couple of offices on the Greenham Business Park.


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Simon Kirby
post Dec 18 2014, 09:50 PM
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Newbury wouldn't be the first council to sell its town hall.


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post Dec 19 2014, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 18 2014, 09:50 PM) *
Newbury wouldn't be the first council to sell its town hall.


Simon,

This is a question that I posed whilst 'within', and the answer came back that the Town Hall simply is not worth commercially what I had expected. The verbal estimate that I was given was around £900,000.

I would now question this estimate, for I am aware now that a large percentage of the legal and other 'official' advice that Newbury Town Council appears to quote is not corroborated in writing and was merely the view of an alleged expert down the phone.

Sadly Newbury Town Council does not seem to understand the need for paper trails and evidence to their support actions!

Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera
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Andy Capp
post Dec 19 2014, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Dec 19 2014, 03:02 PM) *
Simon,

This is a question that I posed whilst 'within', and the answer came back that the Town Hall simply is not worth commercially what I had expected. The verbal estimate that I was given was around £900,000.

I would now question this estimate, for I am aware now that a large percentage of the legal and other 'official' advice that Newbury Town Council appears to quote is not corroborated in writing and was merely the view of an alleged expert down the phone.

Sadly Newbury Town Council does not seem to understand the need for paper trails and evidence to their support actions!

Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera
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I would have thought the building is insured? For that to be so there would have to be an official estimate, surely?
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post Dec 19 2014, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 19 2014, 03:33 PM) *
I would have thought the building is insured? For that to be so there would have to be an official estimate, surely?

I would guess that insurance would have to cover a rebuild of a listed building - which could well cost an awful lot more than anyone would be prepared to pay for it.

It's not a very user friendly building, surprisingly small, and as its listed status would make conversion in shops difficult. The only use I can think might work would be as a pub/restaurant.

If NTC want to find out what its worth they could simply put it on the market - when (if) they get an offer they could then decide whether it makes sense to take the money and move to offices elsewhere.
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- Simon Kirby   NTC Service Budget   Dec 15 2014, 06:52 PM
- - blackdog   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 15 2014, 06:52 P...   Dec 15 2014, 07:31 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 15 2014, 07:31 PM) ...   Dec 15 2014, 08:32 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 15 2014, 08:32 P...   Dec 15 2014, 08:48 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 15 2014, 08:48 PM) Yo...   Dec 15 2014, 09:27 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 15 2014, 08:48 PM) Yo...   Dec 15 2014, 10:57 PM
- - On the edge   Frankly, in commercial terms the market is a dead ...   Dec 15 2014, 09:49 PM
- - Turin Machine   Hey, keeping all that regalia clean and polished d...   Dec 15 2014, 10:39 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Dec 15 2014, 10:39...   Dec 15 2014, 10:50 PM
- - Simon Kirby   Sorry, the figures I used in the OP were from 2011...   Dec 15 2014, 10:49 PM
- - Simon Kirby   Here's an interesting question from July 2009:...   Dec 15 2014, 11:18 PM
|- - gel   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 15 2014, 11:18 P...   Dec 16 2014, 11:38 AM
- - Simon Kirby   Here we are, inflation is now 1.0%. The Consumer ...   Dec 16 2014, 06:18 PM
- - Cognosco   It really is about time, especially in these auste...   Dec 16 2014, 06:24 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Cognosco @ Dec 16 2014, 06:24 PM) ...   Dec 17 2014, 09:53 PM
- - On the edge   Well, considering WBC are a unitary authority and ...   Dec 16 2014, 10:48 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 16 2014, 10:48 P...   Dec 17 2014, 04:29 PM
- - Cognosco   To keep in line with the new way of openness in lo...   Dec 18 2014, 04:25 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Cognosco @ Dec 18 2014, 04:25 PM) ...   Dec 18 2014, 06:26 PM
|- - Exhausted   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 18 2014, 06:26 P...   Dec 18 2014, 06:31 PM
- - Exhausted   I'm sure that moving the Town Council to a nic...   Dec 18 2014, 05:56 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Exhausted @ Dec 18 2014, 05:56 PM)...   Dec 18 2014, 07:23 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 18 2014, 07:23 P...   Dec 18 2014, 07:56 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 18 2014, 07:56 PM) ...   Dec 18 2014, 08:33 PM
- - Simon Kirby   And there are cheaper alternatives to the first-ra...   Dec 18 2014, 08:41 PM
||- - Exhausted   QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 19 2014, 05:25 PM) ...   Dec 20 2014, 05:24 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Dec 19 2...   Dec 19 2014, 06:56 PM
- - On the edge   Interesting question. If it's owned by WBC, b...   Dec 20 2014, 05:50 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 20 2014, 05:50 P...   Dec 20 2014, 06:21 PM
- - Simon Kirby   I had a good look in the previous years' annua...   Dec 20 2014, 06:05 PM
- - gel   Another example of a Council's disdain in answ...   Dec 20 2014, 06:11 PM


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