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Andy Capp
post Nov 14 2014, 10:54 AM
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Isn't access one of the things covered in planning when developments are approved?

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2014/sandlef...ommon-residents
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post Nov 18 2014, 07:53 AM
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Lets try another way. When the developer first came up with their big idea, they would have spoken to the planners at the Council. They didn't need to, but it was sensible and prudent. Exactly the same as I would do if I decided to build an extra few rooms on the side of my office. The Council staff would have been independent and impartial, giving only advice. In the Sandleford case, we can safely assume that the planners may well have said that it would help the proposal if Warren Road was widened and that being the case, it would be prudent to get the agreement of the affected residents. All pretty obvious really. Easier said than done, but the developer then starts, or tries to start a conversation with those people. Of course, some are anti from the start. Of course, the proposal is still only a proposal. The developer sent a letter,he could have sent a letter - then we'd have had a 'Developers Heavies at my front door headline! The conversation about widening Warren Road is a commercial discussion and each side will do what it will to get the result they desire. What it doesn't do is demonstrate that the Council have shown any interest or partiality, demonstrate that Sandleford is right or wrong, or demonstrate the developer is acting inappropriately in any way. The only thing publication does show is that the resident is not going to be an easy call; but that's up to them and them alone.


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post Nov 18 2014, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 18 2014, 07:53 AM) *
The developer sent a letter,he could have sent a letter - then we'd have had a 'Developers Heavies at my front door headline!


Do you mean 'could have knocked on doors'?

In that context, we might very well have had that headline, but in May, not in November and the nature of the agreement that the Commercial developer purported to have made with the Council might have been investigated further. Instead it appears that the NWN have lifted quotes straight from the letter, and this particular quote implies that the Council is involved in a commercial process:

"he and the council had agreed to ask homeowners in Warren Road if they wanted to sell enough land to accommodate the new road."

The way I see it, either someone at the Council has overstepped the mark, or the Developer has misinterpreted/overstated the advice he was given.


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post Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE (Lolly @ Nov 18 2014, 09:50 AM) *
Do you mean 'could have knocked on doors'?

In that context, we might very well have had that headline, but in May, not in November and the nature of the agreement that the Commercial developer purported to have made with the Council might have been investigated further. Instead it appears that the NWN have lifted quotes straight from the letter, and this particular quote implies that the Council is involved in a commercial process:

"he and the council had agreed to ask homeowners in Warren Road if they wanted to sell enough land to accommodate the new road."

The way I see it, either someone at the Council has overstepped the mark, or the Developer has misinterpreted/overstated the advice he was given.


Sorry, but that's really playing with words. The council had not entered any agreement and couldn't do so without due process. What was meant is that the developer agreed with the advice he'd been given by the Council officers. In any event, what was so wrong about the developer wanting to talk to the householder? If the developer hadn't and he would have been totally within his rights not to, when his plans were made public, we'd have had the resident complaining that it was the first he'd heard about it!


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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM) *
Sorry, but that's really playing with words.


Not intentionally - I think it's just a difference of interpretation, based on incomplete information

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM) *
The council had not entered any agreement

How do you know?

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM) *
and couldn't do so without due process.


I agree they shouldn't do, but the quotes in the letter ( as presented in the article) suggest otherwise.

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM) *
What was meant is that the developer agreed with the advice he'd been given by the Council officers.

Again, how do you know? That isn't what it says in the NWN. Have you seen the actual letter?

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM) *
In any event, what was so wrong about the developer wanting to talk to the householder?

Nothing

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM) *
If the developer hadn't and he would have been totally within his rights not to, when his plans were made public, we'd have had the resident complaining that it was the first he'd heard about it!

Not sure what your point is here? If a developer put forward plans to construct a road on your land without your agreement I think you'd have rather more to complain about than the fact it was the first you'd heard about it, especially if it meant demolition of your house!




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