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Oct 15 2014, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 15 2014, 03:47 PM) A lot of people would not be happy at living on the Isle of Wight as it is now, let alone sharing it with the whole population of the UK. What do you envisage: filling every square metre with huge tower blocks? Nope, far from it....just pointing out that the often rolled out argument "we're overcrowded" is not really accurate.
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Oct 15 2014, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Oct 15 2014, 04:00 PM) Nope, far from it....just pointing out that the often rolled out argument "we're overcrowded" is not really accurate. That depends with what prejudice you view the comment. I feel that both ends of the argument just look for confirmation bias* without really caring about the truth. *We all do it: Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or prioritize information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.
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Oct 15 2014, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 15 2014, 10:35 PM) That depends with what prejudice you view the comment. I feel that both ends of the argument just look for confirmation bias* without really caring about the truth. I don't view the comment with any prejudice at all. The person making the assertion is entitled to their own view. (And the same freedom allows others to find it fvckin' hilarious) What I did was post a link which I hoped would give a more 'balanced' view. I happen to think the percentages speak for themselves i.e. we are not overcrowded.
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Oct 18 2014, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Oct 15 2014, 11:21 PM) we are not overcrowded. When I travel about by foot, road or train or when I try to book a doctors or hospital appointment I feel that we are.
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Oct 18 2014, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 18 2014, 08:46 AM) When I travel about by foot, road or train or when I try to book a doctors or hospital appointment I feel that we are. Let's take health. If the service is stretched then open more doctors surgeries and hospitals. But that's not what people want - people in Newbury vote Tory, and will soon be voting UKIP, because they don't want to pay for "benefit scroungers" like the old and the sick, and it's convenient to blame a stretched service on "immigrants". The reality is that on the whole the eastern European economic migrants that have swelled the populations in the last 10 years are largely young, fit, and hard working, and so pay a relatively high proportion of the tax-cost of running the health service whilst using it relatively little.
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Oct 18 2014, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 18 2014, 11:07 AM) Let's take health. If the service is stretched then open more doctors surgeries and hospitals.
But that's not what people want - people in Newbury vote Tory, and will soon be voting UKIP, because they don't want to pay for "benefit scroungers" like the old and the sick, and it's convenient to blame a stretched service on "immigrants". Sorry for the unresponsive reply but what a load of rubbish. Could you redefine your examples of "benefit scroungers" please.
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Oct 18 2014, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 18 2014, 06:34 PM) Sorry for the unresponsive reply but what a load of rubbish. Could you redefine your examples of "benefit scroungers" please. The issue here is how certain groups of benefit claimants such as the unemployed and disabled are characterised as "benefit scroungers" without demur, whereas in reality those groups are no more scrounging than any other benefit claimants, the most numerous of which are pensioners and users of the national health service. If you don't like my examples then I hope you challenge others when you come across them.
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Oct 18 2014, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 18 2014, 07:58 PM) The issue here is how certain groups of benefit claimants such as the unemployed and disabled are characterised as "benefit scroungers" without demur, whereas in reality those groups are no more scrounging than any other benefit claimants, the most numerous of which are pensioners and users of the national health service. If you don't like my examples then I hope you challenge others when you come across them. Most only classify a few as scroungers. However you count someone has worked all the life and contributed to society as much of a scrounger if ill or in old age as someone who has never worked has no intention of doing so. Very strange!
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Oct 18 2014, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (MontyPython @ Oct 18 2014, 08:08 PM) Most only classify a few as scroungers.
However you count someone has worked all the life and contributed to society as much of a scrounger if ill or in old age as someone who has never worked has no intention of doing so. Very strange! It's not my classification. If you call anyone a "benefits scrounger" then you label everyone - pensioners and the sick just the same. You talk about "true scroungers", citing "those who are not prepared to work or expect us to pay for large families via an uncapped child benefits" but how can you discriminate - benefits are benefits. It's not so easy denying people the dignity of basic state benefits, but stop thinking about them as people and call them "benefits scroungers" and it's a whole bunch easier, and if anyone complains it's easy to defend, because they're not "deserving", they're just "benefits scroungers".
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Oct 18 2014, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 18 2014, 10:12 PM) It's not my classification. If you call anyone a "benefits scrounger" then you label everyone - pensioners and the sick just the same. You talk about "true scroungers", citing "those who are not prepared to work or expect us to pay for large families via an uncapped child benefits" but how can you discriminate - benefits are benefits. It's not so easy denying people the dignity of basic state benefits, but stop thinking about them as people and call them "benefits scroungers" and it's a whole bunch easier, and if anyone complains it's easy to defend, because they're not "deserving", they're just "benefits scroungers". What an idiotic response. If you can't see the some people abuse the system you must be a complete fool. And as they say a fool and his money are easily parted. You presumably are quite happy for somebody to exist Unemployment benefit and additional allowances without making any contribution to society and with no intention of finding work because they can't be bothered? There may not be many benefit scroungers %age wise but they are out there none the less.
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