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x2lls
post Jan 7 2014, 10:57 PM
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My view is that I don't believe it will.
Yes, a constant speed is almost always the most efficient way of using fuel, at the right speed that is, but with the high volume of vehicles on the roads, will it actually work?

I suspect all it will do is bring down the average speed of those that usually drive at 80 plus, to a slightly lower level. Does driving faster actually increase the volume of pollutants expelled? After all, the fuel is only being burnt at a faster rate at higher speed, so surely a litre burnt in say, an hour as opposed to thirty minutes will still convert to the same amount output, only over an extended period of time?





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post Jan 8 2014, 05:21 PM
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Hydrogen DOES have infrastructure. There are existing petrol filling stations along with LPG stations. We can utilise 90% of the existing infastructure there, would just be pumps etc.


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post Jan 8 2014, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 05:21 PM) *
Hydrogen DOES have infrastructure. There are existing petrol filling stations along with LPG stations. We can utilise 90% of the existing infastructure there, would just be pumps etc.

Not until they are empty of petrol.
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post Jan 8 2014, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 8 2014, 08:20 PM) *
Big, big farts!

The SERIOUS point I was trying to make is that 60mph speed limits, running on electricity, hydrogen etc. is a futile gesture in the big shape of things. Cars & small vans make up a minority part of carbon emission / pollution caused by burning fossil fuels.
A 60mph speed limit, buying a Prius, or running your car on hydrogen will not much change the total emissions and their effects.
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post Jan 8 2014, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2014, 09:06 PM) *
The SERIOUS point I was trying to make is that 60mph speed limits, running on electricity, hydrogen etc. is a futile gesture in the big shape of things. Cars & small vans make up a minority part of carbon emission / pollution caused by burning fossil fuels.
A 60mph speed limit, buying a Prius, or running your car on hydrogen will not much change the total emissions and their effects.


I think the idea is for a ripple effect and to encourage public debate. Even the USA and China are becoming more concerned about emissions. This issue will run for generations, but that isn't a reason not to start somewhere.
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post Jan 8 2014, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 8 2014, 09:13 PM) *
I think the idea is for a ripple effect and to encourage public debate. Even the USA and China are becoming more concerned about emissions. This issue will run for generations, but that isn't a reason not to start somewhere.

I was hearing on the radio just this week that smog is a huge issue in Asia, enormously more so than here (nowadays anyroad).


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- x2lls   Proposed 60 mph speed limit   Jan 7 2014, 10:57 PM
- - Andy1   A constant speed would be nice rather than the usu...   Jan 7 2014, 11:22 PM
|- - Claude   I imagine a car makes more noise pollution travell...   Jan 8 2014, 08:48 AM
- - motormad   Toyota Prius is more economical at 80 than it is a...   Jan 8 2014, 10:37 AM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 10:37 AM) T...   Jan 8 2014, 01:16 PM
- - motormad   The most efficient speed of an engine is at it...   Jan 8 2014, 02:29 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 02:29 PM) T...   Jan 8 2014, 03:46 PM
||- - motormad   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 8 2014, 03:46 PM) ...   Jan 8 2014, 04:52 PM
||- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 04:52 PM) H...   Jan 8 2014, 05:09 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 02:29 PM) T...   Jan 8 2014, 04:51 PM
||- - motormad   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jan 8 2014, 04:51 PM...   Jan 8 2014, 07:21 PM
|- - gel   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 02:29 PM) T...   Jan 10 2014, 03:51 PM
- - Biker1   A mere drop in the ocean and kowtowing to EU direc...   Jan 8 2014, 03:57 PM
|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2014, 03:57 PM) A m...   Jan 8 2014, 04:43 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jan 8 2014, 04:43 PM...   Jan 8 2014, 04:56 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 05:21 PM) H...   Jan 8 2014, 05:41 PM
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|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2014, 09:06 PM) The...   Jan 8 2014, 09:27 PM
- - Biker1   Yes, but what are aeroplanes going to run on, and ...   Jan 8 2014, 05:52 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2014, 05:52 PM) Yes...   Jan 8 2014, 06:20 PM
- - Andy Capp   I understand that hydrogen is manufactured by burn...   Jan 8 2014, 08:32 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 8 2014, 08:32 PM) ...   Jan 8 2014, 09:03 PM
|- - Exhausted   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 8 2014, 08:32 PM) ...   Jan 8 2014, 09:09 PM
- - motormad   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production   Jan 8 2014, 08:49 PM
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|- - motormad   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 8 2014, 08:58 PM) ...   Jan 8 2014, 11:13 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 8 2014, 11:13 PM) H...   Jan 9 2014, 12:26 AM
- - JeffG   For people like me who didn't have a clue what...   Jan 10 2014, 11:22 AM
- - Blake   I am wholeheartedly in favour of the 60mph limit t...   Jan 10 2014, 12:38 PM
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|- - motormad   QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 10 2014, 12:38 PM) I a...   Jan 10 2014, 02:04 PM
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||- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 10 2014, 02:10 PM) Yes...   Jan 11 2014, 06:13 PM
|- - Ron   QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 10 2014, 12:38 PM) Tim...   Jan 10 2014, 02:07 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Ron @ Jan 10 2014, 02:07 PM) Our w...   Jan 10 2014, 03:25 PM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 11 2014, 06:37 PM) I...   Jan 11 2014, 06:51 PM
- - motormad   People would ignore the limits. Average speed came...   Jan 10 2014, 03:01 PM
|- - Blake   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 10 2014, 03:01 PM) ...   Jan 10 2014, 03:05 PM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 10 2014, 03:05 PM) Wel...   Jan 10 2014, 03:19 PM
- - JeffG   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 10 2014, 02:04 PM) ...   Jan 11 2014, 11:26 AM
- - Simon Kirby   For example, here's the Torygraph hurumphing-o...   Jan 11 2014, 01:53 PM
- - motormad   Most engines are cleaner burning under high loads ...   Jan 11 2014, 02:53 PM
- - motormad   Just a few points I have. As Jeff (and I said pre...   Jan 13 2014, 03:21 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 13 2014, 03:21 PM) ...   Jan 13 2014, 04:04 PM
- - motormad   It is right. With a given volume to work with, ro...   Jan 13 2014, 04:57 PM
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- - Blake   Well, I hope the move comes to Berkshire soon and ...   Jan 14 2014, 10:54 AM
- - motormad   Ban cows?   Jan 14 2014, 01:30 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 14 2014, 01:30 PM) ...   Jan 14 2014, 01:48 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 14 2014, 01:30 PM) ...   Jan 14 2014, 03:42 PM
- - motormad   Yes, I speed everywhere don't I. In my stupidl...   Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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- - Strafin   If a speed limit isn't in a red circle, it...   Jan 16 2014, 07:23 AM
- - JeffG   Unless it's the US. My favo(u)rite one:   Jan 16 2014, 09:25 AM
- - JeffG   Here's another good one:   Jan 16 2014, 09:41 AM


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