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motormad
post Jul 17 2013, 08:49 AM
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2013/road-la...g-will-go-ahead

I agree with Mr Woodhams (surprisingly).

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Mr Woodhams said that he believed the road changes would have little impact on congestion.

He said: “From the outset the Thatcham Conservative councillors have been wracking their brains to come up with a new idea to impress motorists and residents, to reduce queueing times at the Thatcham level crossing.

“They have wasted £83,000, and the provision for a right-hand turn lane into the Thatcham sorting office … will have little to no effect on reducing these queues.


This will not reduce congestion. If people want to go into the sorting office they either go around the one-way system and out infront of everyone or just drive down the wrong side of the road. (there's nothing coming anyway).

I used to live 2 minute walk from Thatcham train station. Infact I grew up there and would go into town on the train regularly before I had a car.

A bridge is the only solution and unless they do that, anything will be a waste of money.
The sheer amount of disruption during the roadworks will cause havoc as well.


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Simon Kirby
post Jul 18 2013, 06:26 PM
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Like OtE said, now's actually quite a good time for the public sector to invest in capital works, and the boost to the economy would be welcome now too.

It's not simply a case of building a bridge, the whole Newbury/Thatcham traffic requirement needs taking into account, and it's my guess that an eastern bypass would be the answer - joining the A4 east of the conurbation with the A339 and A34 in the south. That might be best crossing at the current level crossing, or there might be somewhere better to the east. I'd guess the cost of that would be something like £200M, and that's a lot of money, but it would create the infrastructure for fifty years of expansion so spread like that the cost isn't so great, and the alternative of expanding without the infrastructure in place is just awful.


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post Jul 18 2013, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 07:26 PM) *
It's not simply a case of building a bridge, the whole Newbury/Thatcham traffic requirement needs taking into account, and it's my guess that an eastern bypass would be the answer

Seems to me that you are saying that the by-pass was built on the wrong side of Newbury. dry.gif
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post Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM) *
Seems to me that you are saying that the by-pass was built on the wrong side of Newbury. dry.gif

Well, probably, but it was never going to have universal support whatever happened and I can see why the western bypass would have been the best choice all things considered - it delivered the most benefit for the least difficulty. As with all political decisions, democracy doesn't empower our representatives to make the best choices, only the least worst. That's our collective fault and not the failing of our politicians - we might talk about wanting brave visionary politics, but we're all reactionary nimbies at heart.


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- motormad   Thatcham Railway Crossing   Jul 17 2013, 08:49 AM
- - Biker1   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 09:49 AM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 09:30 AM
|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:30 AM) Ab...   Jul 17 2013, 10:32 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 17 2013, 11:32 A...   Jul 17 2013, 11:10 AM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 17 2013, 11:32 A...   Jul 17 2013, 07:31 PM
- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:30 AM) Ab...   Jul 17 2013, 12:50 PM
- - motormad   So you think that £83k is a good use ("not a ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:00 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 02:00 PM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:36 PM
- - On the edge   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 09:49 AM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:49 PM
- - motormad   So basically what you are saying is that anything ...   Jul 17 2013, 01:49 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 02:49 PM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 03:37 PM
|- - MontyPython   As I am not over familiar with the area so have lo...   Jul 17 2013, 05:31 PM
- - On the edge   How about working up a sensible long term real sol...   Jul 17 2013, 06:50 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 17 2013, 07:50 P...   Jul 17 2013, 07:00 PM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 17 2013, 08:00 PM)...   Jul 17 2013, 09:25 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 10:25 PM) ...   Jul 18 2013, 08:57 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 09:57 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 09:06 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:06 AM) Th...   Jul 18 2013, 09:14 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 10:14 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 09:22 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM) Ca...   Jul 18 2013, 10:42 AM
|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 11:42 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 12:35 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 18 2013, 01:35 P...   Jul 18 2013, 01:21 PM
- - On the edge   Like it or not Newbury/Thatcham is already a large...   Jul 17 2013, 09:09 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 17 2013, 07:50 P...   Jul 18 2013, 12:15 AM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 18 2013, 01:15 AM)...   Jul 18 2013, 09:02 AM
- - On the edge   Wow and there it is! Nowt will replace the ...   Jul 18 2013, 05:18 AM
|- - BMR   I got bored with all the talk about a bridge while...   Jul 18 2013, 07:32 AM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM) Ca...   Jul 18 2013, 10:21 AM
- - On the edge   Isn't it rather odd that the preferred solutio...   Jul 18 2013, 01:14 PM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 02:14 P...   Jul 18 2013, 02:53 PM
- - Nothing Much   This discussion has been going on for so long that...   Jul 18 2013, 03:36 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM) Se...   Jul 18 2013, 06:37 PM
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||- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:41 PM) Bu...   Jul 18 2013, 07:02 PM
- - JeffG   My opinion is that Newbury/Thatcham now needs an E...   Jul 18 2013, 07:22 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 18 2013, 08:22 PM) My ...   Jul 18 2013, 07:32 PM
||- - motormad   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 08:32 P...   Jul 18 2013, 07:52 PM
||- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 18 2013, 08:52 PM) ...   Jul 18 2013, 08:28 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 18 2013, 08:22 PM) My ...   Jul 18 2013, 07:47 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 08:47 PM) Wh...   Jul 18 2013, 08:04 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 09:04 P...   Jul 18 2013, 10:50 PM
|- - motormad   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 11:50 PM) If...   Jul 19 2013, 11:02 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 19 2013, 12:02 PM) ...   Jul 19 2013, 07:20 PM
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- - spartacus   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 09:28 P...   Jul 18 2013, 09:13 PM
- - Berkshirelad   I notice that the Cllr concerned bemoans traffic c...   Jul 18 2013, 09:14 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 10:19 P...   Jul 18 2013, 11:54 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 11:50 PM) Th...   Jul 19 2013, 12:01 AM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 19 2013, 02:01 AM)...   Jul 19 2013, 05:12 AM
- - Simon Kirby   I don't see the existing traffic hold-ups at t...   Jul 19 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 19 2013, 08:58 P...   Jul 21 2013, 06:40 AM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 21 2013, 07:40 A...   Jul 21 2013, 08:06 AM
|- - On the edge   Deleted duplicate   Jul 21 2013, 02:14 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (blackdog @ Jul 21 2013, 09:06 AM) ...   Jul 21 2013, 02:19 PM
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|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jul 21 2013, 01:44 PM) ...   Jul 21 2013, 01:00 PM
- - Simon Kirby   One problem with a brave visionary plan is that we...   Jul 21 2013, 04:19 PM
- - user23   Isn't the crossing owned by Network Rail?   Jul 21 2013, 06:57 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (user23 @ Jul 21 2013, 07:57 PM) Is...   Jul 21 2013, 07:47 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jul 21 2013, 08:47 PM)...   Jul 22 2013, 09:54 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 22 2013, 10:54 PM) It...   Jul 23 2013, 12:17 PM
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- - Biker1   I have just been past the new layout at this locat...   Sep 4 2013, 08:50 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 09:50 PM) I h...   Sep 4 2013, 09:02 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 4 2013, 11:02 PM) ...   Sep 4 2013, 09:24 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:24 PM) OK ...   Sep 4 2013, 09:28 PM
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|- - blackdog   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:35 PM) I t...   Sep 4 2013, 09:43 PM
- - motormad   Ergo Network Rail should pay for it. It's thei...   Sep 4 2013, 09:55 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 4 2013, 10:55 PM) E...   Sep 4 2013, 11:33 PM
|- - Biker1   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:33 AM) I...   Sep 5 2013, 07:20 AM
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