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Jul 17 2013, 08:49 AM
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2013/road-la...g-will-go-aheadI agree with Mr Woodhams (surprisingly). QUOTE Mr Woodhams said that he believed the road changes would have little impact on congestion.
He said: “From the outset the Thatcham Conservative councillors have been wracking their brains to come up with a new idea to impress motorists and residents, to reduce queueing times at the Thatcham level crossing.
“They have wasted £83,000, and the provision for a right-hand turn lane into the Thatcham sorting office … will have little to no effect on reducing these queues. This will not reduce congestion. If people want to go into the sorting office they either go around the one-way system and out infront of everyone or just drive down the wrong side of the road. (there's nothing coming anyway). I used to live 2 minute walk from Thatcham train station. Infact I grew up there and would go into town on the train regularly before I had a car. A bridge is the only solution and unless they do that, anything will be a waste of money. The sheer amount of disruption during the roadworks will cause havoc as well.
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Jul 17 2013, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 17 2013, 07:50 PM) It would be pretty dumb as MM says to spend such a large sum on what is no more than a quick political fix with no gaurentee of success. Shades of Parkway bridge! I don't believe the approved plan is to 'fix' the problem. I believe the idea is to make the junction work better with the limited resources available. Another one would be to have better synchronised barriers. When a fast through-train is approaching, one is only held up for a couple of minutes, but the slow train and the 'gravel train' really do test your patience. The trouble is signalling is out of bounds to the council. At the end of the day, it is the result of a ridiculous planning decision made many years ago. I remember seeing an ambulance with flashing blue lights stopped at that crossing, and I found myself wondering what poor sod's day was being spoiled by that barrier to A & E (of course in this case, it is the decision of the driver was at fault as much as the crossing being down). Anecdotes shouldn't on their won determine policy, but that junction is only going to get worse as the south of Newbury gets more and more populated.
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Jul 17 2013, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 17 2013, 08:00 PM) I don't believe the approved plan is to 'fix' the problem. I believe the idea is to make the junction work better with the limited resources available. Another one would be to have better synchronised barriers. When a fast through-train is approaching, one is only held up for a couple of minutes, but the slow train and the 'gravel train' really do test your patience. The trouble is signalling is out of bounds to the council.
At the end of the day, it is the result of a ridiculous planning decision made many years ago. I remember seeing an ambulance with flashing blue lights stopped at that crossing, and I found myself wondering what poor sod's day was being spoiled by that barrier to A & E (of course in this case, it is the decision of the driver was at fault as much as the crossing being down).
Anecdotes shouldn't on their won determine policy, but that junction is only going to get worse as the south of Newbury gets more and more populated. The approved plan won't even make the junction work better. I used to go over that junction every day for 3 years. And the traffic just flowed, if a car was turning into the Post Office, people just let them turn. Those coming out had to wait (which is fine and does not disrupt traffic going across the train tracks). I agree it is going to get worse but I can't believe you of all people would approve £86k being spent on a "solution" (in whatever way you want to class that as) when it's not going to help
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Jul 18 2013, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 10:25 PM) The approved plan won't even make the junction work better. I used to go over that junction every day for 3 years. And the traffic just flowed, if a car was turning into the Post Office, people just let them turn. Those coming out had to wait (which is fine and does not disrupt traffic going across the train tracks). I agree it is going to get worse but I can't believe you of all people would approve £86k being spent on a "solution" (in whatever way you want to class that as) when it's not going to help That is because I disagree with you, people driving south turning right is a problem that can be addressed somewhat by the proposal. I therefore think it will help. I presume that the survey identified this as a problem too.
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Jul 18 2013, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 09:57 AM) That is because I disagree with you, people driving south turning right is a problem that can be addressed somewhat by the proposal. I therefore think it will help. I presume that the survey identified this as a problem too. The difference to congestion at this location that the proposed modifications, including a right turn box, will make will be minimal and will not justify the spending of such a large sum of money. That is the point some are trying to make on here. Obviously it it the crossing itself which is the cause of the problem and, unless this is completely eliminated, the problem will still exist. Playing around with road layouts is not the solution.
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Jul 18 2013, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:06 AM) The difference to congestion at this location that the proposed modifications, including a right turn box, will make will be minimal and will not justify the spending of such a large sum of money. That is the point some are trying to make on here. Obviously it it the crossing itself which is the cause of the problem and, unless this is completely eliminated, the problem will still exist. Playing around with road layouts is not the solution. I know what people are arguing, and I know that this isn't a solution, but after all that I still disagree that the money should not be spent. In my opinion, the proposal will see a benefit to people. not least to the people holding every one up, and the irritate attitude from the drivers behind. If I could choose anything, but not a bridge, it would be we don't have to spend 5 minutes waiting for slow trains, so I would rather we pay NR to change the timing for the barriers as suggested earlier.
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Jul 18 2013, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 10:14 AM) If I could choose anything, but not a bridge, it would be we don't have to spend 5 minutes waiting for slow trains, so I would rather we pay NR to change the timing for the barriers as suggested earlier. Can't be done Andy. If you knew how the railways worked then you would understand (and I know most will find this hard to believe) that the barriers at Thatcham are down for the minimal possible time that ensures the safety of passengers and road users. The problem is that both the road and the railway have become busier over the years.
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motormad Thatcham Railway Crossing Jul 17 2013, 08:49 AM Biker1 QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 09:49 AM) ... Jul 17 2013, 09:30 AM MontyPython QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:30 AM) Ab... Jul 17 2013, 10:32 AM Biker1 QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 17 2013, 11:32 A... Jul 17 2013, 11:10 AM Simon Kirby QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 17 2013, 11:32 A... Jul 17 2013, 07:31 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:30 AM) Ab... Jul 17 2013, 12:50 PM motormad So you think that £83k is a good use ("not a ... Jul 17 2013, 01:00 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 02:00 PM) ... Jul 17 2013, 01:36 PM On the edge QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 09:49 AM) ... Jul 17 2013, 01:49 PM motormad So basically what you are saying is that anything ... Jul 17 2013, 01:49 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 17 2013, 02:49 PM) ... Jul 17 2013, 03:37 PM MontyPython As I am not over familiar with the area so have lo... Jul 17 2013, 05:31 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM) Ca... Jul 18 2013, 10:42 AM MontyPython QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 11:42 AM)... Jul 18 2013, 12:35 PM Biker1 QUOTE (MontyPython @ Jul 18 2013, 01:35 P... Jul 18 2013, 01:21 PM On the edge Like it or not Newbury/Thatcham is already a large... Jul 17 2013, 09:09 PM spartacus QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 17 2013, 07:50 P... Jul 18 2013, 12:15 AM motormad QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 18 2013, 01:15 AM)... Jul 18 2013, 07:58 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 18 2013, 01:15 AM)... Jul 18 2013, 09:02 AM On the edge Wow and there it is! Nowt will replace the ... Jul 18 2013, 05:18 AM BMR I got bored with all the talk about a bridge while... Jul 18 2013, 07:32 AM spartacus QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM) Ca... Jul 18 2013, 10:21 AM On the edge Isn't it rather odd that the preferred solutio... Jul 18 2013, 01:14 PM motormad QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 02:14 P... Jul 18 2013, 02:53 PM Nothing Much This discussion has been going on for so long that... Jul 18 2013, 03:36 PM Simon Kirby Like OtE said, now's actually quite a good tim... Jul 18 2013, 06:26 PM Biker1 QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 07:26 P... Jul 18 2013, 06:31 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM) Se... Jul 18 2013, 06:37 PM Biker1 QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 18 2013, 07:37 PM)... Jul 18 2013, 06:41 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:41 PM) Bu... Jul 18 2013, 07:02 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM) Se... Jul 18 2013, 07:31 PM JeffG My opinion is that Newbury/Thatcham now needs an E... Jul 18 2013, 07:22 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 18 2013, 08:22 PM) My ... Jul 18 2013, 07:32 PM motormad QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 08:32 P... Jul 18 2013, 07:52 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 18 2013, 08:52 PM) ... Jul 18 2013, 08:28 PM Biker1 QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 18 2013, 08:22 PM) My ... Jul 18 2013, 07:47 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 08:47 PM) Wh... Jul 18 2013, 08:04 PM Biker1 QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 09:04 P... Jul 18 2013, 10:50 PM motormad QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 11:50 PM) If... Jul 19 2013, 11:02 AM Biker1 QUOTE (motormad @ Jul 19 2013, 12:02 PM) ... Jul 19 2013, 07:20 PM spartacus QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 02:14 P... Jul 18 2013, 09:09 PM On the edge QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 18 2013, 10:09 PM)... Jul 18 2013, 09:19 PM spartacus QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 18 2013, 09:28 P... Jul 18 2013, 09:13 PM Berkshirelad I notice that the Cllr concerned bemoans traffic c... Jul 18 2013, 09:14 PM spartacus QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 18 2013, 10:19 P... Jul 18 2013, 11:54 PM spartacus QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 18 2013, 11:50 PM) Th... Jul 19 2013, 12:01 AM Biker1 QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 19 2013, 02:01 AM)... Jul 19 2013, 05:12 AM Simon Kirby I don't see the existing traffic hold-ups at t... Jul 19 2013, 07:58 PM On the edge QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jul 19 2013, 08:58 P... Jul 21 2013, 06:40 AM blackdog QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 21 2013, 07:40 A... Jul 21 2013, 08:06 AM On the edge Deleted duplicate Jul 21 2013, 02:14 PM On the edge QUOTE (blackdog @ Jul 21 2013, 09:06 AM) ... Jul 21 2013, 02:19 PM NWNREADER With (Local) Government finance you have to have t... Jul 21 2013, 11:39 AM Cognosco QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jul 21 2013, 12:39 PM)... Jul 21 2013, 12:44 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jul 21 2013, 01:44 PM) ... Jul 21 2013, 01:00 PM Simon Kirby One problem with a brave visionary plan is that we... Jul 21 2013, 04:19 PM user23 Isn't the crossing owned by Network Rail? Jul 21 2013, 06:57 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (user23 @ Jul 21 2013, 07:57 PM) Is... Jul 21 2013, 07:47 PM Biker1 QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jul 21 2013, 08:47 PM)... Jul 22 2013, 09:54 PM spartacus QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 22 2013, 10:54 PM) It... Jul 23 2013, 12:17 PM Biker1 QUOTE (spartacus @ Jul 23 2013, 02:17 PM)... Sep 4 2013, 08:54 PM Biker1 I have just been past the new layout at this locat... Sep 4 2013, 08:50 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 09:50 PM) I h... Sep 4 2013, 09:02 PM Biker1 QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 4 2013, 11:02 PM) ... Sep 4 2013, 09:24 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:24 PM) OK ... Sep 4 2013, 09:28 PM Biker1 I think Network Rail would like, in the ideal worl... Sep 4 2013, 09:35 PM blackdog QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:35 PM) I t... Sep 4 2013, 09:43 PM motormad Ergo Network Rail should pay for it.
It's thei... Sep 4 2013, 09:55 PM dannyboy QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 4 2013, 10:55 PM) E... Sep 4 2013, 11:33 PM Biker1 QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:33 AM) I... Sep 5 2013, 07:20 AM dannyboy QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 5 2013, 08:20 AM) Qui... Sep 5 2013, 11:18 AM NWNREADER QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 5 2013, 12:18 PM) I... Sep 5 2013, 07:18 PM dannyboy QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Sep 5 2013, 08:18 PM) ... Sep 5 2013, 08:26 PM Strafin Network Rail love splashing the cash around! Sep 4 2013, 09:57 PM motormad It's ok, it didn't make sense to me either... Sep 5 2013, 07:54 AM JeffG I think what is meant is that if rail was subsidis... Sep 5 2013, 09:19 AM motormad QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 5 2013, 10:19 AM) I th... Sep 5 2013, 11:29 AM dannyboy QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 12:29 PM) K... Sep 5 2013, 11:53 AM Andy Capp I understand that it was Tory policy (Mrs T?) to t... Sep 5 2013, 10:20 AM motormad That was one example and you know it. We all see h... Sep 5 2013, 12:06 PM dannyboy QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 01:06 PM) T... Sep 5 2013, 12:11 PM Berkshirelad QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:11 PM) a... Sep 5 2013, 08:50 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 5 2013, 09:50 P... Sep 5 2013, 08:55 PM motormad It's not the love of internal combustion. It... Sep 5 2013, 01:06 PM dannyboy QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 02:06 PM) I... Sep 5 2013, 01:10 PM JeffG QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 02:06 PM) I... Sep 5 2013, 07:24 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 5 2013, 08:24 PM) Why?... Sep 5 2013, 08:15 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Sep 5 2013, 09:15 PM) ... Sep 5 2013, 08:17 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 5 2013, 09:17 PM) ... Sep 5 2013, 08:27 PM motormad I'm still thinking about it and can't see ... Sep 5 2013, 01:19 PM dannyboy QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 5 2013, 02:19 PM) I... Sep 5 2013, 01:29 PM Andy Capp At the end of the day, both methods of transport h... Sep 5 2013, 01:29 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 5 2013, 02:29 PM) ... Sep 5 2013, 01:32 PM
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