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Apr 8 2013, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 8 2013, 05:07 PM) Any chance that the people to really 'blame' for anything good or bad any prime minister has done, is themselves and the people around them.
"The public gets what the public wants." I associate the 80's Zeitgeist of conspicuous consumption and greed with Thatcherism, mainly because of the images of champers-quaffing yuppies getting-rich-quick on the floatation of public assets and deregulated financial institutions. Thatcher was responsible for the privatisation, but I don't know how much she was responsible for the consumption and greed. I think that's more easily seen as a reaction to the naff dreary 70's, and quite possibly has more to do with Dallas on the TV than domestic politics. For me Thatcher's legacy was the closure of the uncompetitive heavy and manufacturing industries without any replacement. British industry had virtually stood still since the Great War and certainly since the thirties, so while Europe and Asia had been modernising and reconstructing since 1945, Blighty went into the 70's still coming to terms with the loss of Empire. Thatcher defeated the unions who had dogged the decade, but she did nothing to reconstruct and modernise British manufacturing, and the social despair that created in Wales and the North is still an appalling legacy. Britain has some of the best universities in the world and Brits have a long tradition of invention, innovation and imagination, yet we're still waiting for a government to embrace that and give us something more than call centres to work in, though again this is as much a problem of our class-bound society with chinless public school wonders assuming the reins of industry and government irrespective of their ability to lead. That was the promise of Thatcherism, a classless society and country of opportunity, but Conservatism reigns and we're sill a nation of Lions led by Donkeys.
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Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
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stewiegriffin Margaret Thatcher Apr 8 2013, 12:41 PM pbonnay QUOTE (stewiegriffin @ Apr 8 2013, 01:41 ... Apr 8 2013, 12:50 PM stewiegriffin QUOTE (pbonnay @ Apr 8 2013, 01:50 PM) I ... Apr 8 2013, 12:53 PM Dodgys smarter brother. Have some compassion lads, that's what Thatche... Apr 8 2013, 01:25 PM On the edge Having started work in 1970 and endured the Heath ... Apr 8 2013, 01:48 PM Strafin I think she was one of our greatest ever leaders, ... Apr 8 2013, 01:51 PM motormad I wasn't really old enough to even know or giv... Apr 8 2013, 01:56 PM Dodgys smarter brother. QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 8 2013, 02:56 PM) F... Apr 8 2013, 02:00 PM motormad I find the whole debaccle about being nice about p... Apr 8 2013, 02:32 PM Berkshirelad QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 8 2013, 02:32 PM) I... Apr 8 2013, 08:56 PM Blake As Margaret so sagely said herself "There is ... Apr 8 2013, 03:16 PM TallDarkAndHandsome She was an inspiration to hard working decent peop... Apr 8 2013, 03:17 PM The Doctor QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2013, 03... Apr 8 2013, 03:43 PM motormad QUOTE (The Doctor @ Apr 8 2013, 04:43 PM)... Apr 8 2013, 03:52 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (The Doctor @ Apr 8 2013, 04:43 PM)... Apr 8 2013, 03:58 PM motormad QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2013, 04... Apr 8 2013, 04:04 PM Samantha QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2013, 03... Apr 8 2013, 04:47 PM Exhausted QUOTE (Samantha @ Apr 8 2013, 05:47 PM) L... Apr 8 2013, 04:52 PM desres123 QUOTE (stewiegriffin @ Apr 8 2013, 01:41 ... Apr 8 2013, 03:23 PM stewiegriffin QUOTE (desres123 @ Apr 8 2013, 04:23 PM) ... Apr 8 2013, 03:35 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (stewiegriffin @ Apr 8 2013, 04:35 ... Apr 8 2013, 03:37 PM desres123 QUOTE (stewiegriffin @ Apr 8 2013, 04:35 ... Apr 8 2013, 03:42 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (desres123 @ Apr 8 2013, 04:23 PM) ... Apr 8 2013, 03:36 PM Weavers Walk QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2013, 03... Apr 8 2013, 03:39 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Apr 8 2013, 04:39 P... Apr 8 2013, 03:41 PM Weavers Walk QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2013, 04... Apr 8 2013, 03:44 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Apr 8 2013, 04:44 P... Apr 8 2013, 04:02 PM On the edge QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2013, 04... Apr 8 2013, 06:57 PM pbonnay QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Apr 8 2013, 04:39 P... Apr 9 2013, 07:28 AM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (pbonnay @ Apr 9 2013, 08:28 AM) ..... Apr 9 2013, 07:46 AM pbonnay QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 9 2013, 08... Apr 9 2013, 08:30 AM Weavers Walk QUOTE (pbonnay @ Apr 9 2013, 08:28 AM) ..... Apr 9 2013, 09:05 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Apr 9 2013, 10:05 A... Apr 9 2013, 09:23 AM Andy Capp The lady that allowed a class of people to buy the... Apr 8 2013, 03:36 PM Blake You cannot possibly heap blame on her for present ... Apr 8 2013, 03:51 PM stewiegriffin QUOTE (Blake @ Apr 8 2013, 04:51 PM) You ... Apr 8 2013, 03:55 PM Dodgys smarter brother. Can everyone just calm down?
Time for some sanit... Apr 8 2013, 03:53 PM Blake I am totally serious.
Nobody is going to be givin... Apr 8 2013, 04:05 PM motormad Oh seriously bugger off.
The country is screwed to... Apr 8 2013, 04:06 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 8 2013, 05:06 PM) O... Apr 8 2013, 04:08 PM On the edge QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 8 2013, 06:40 PM... Apr 8 2013, 07:08 PM motormad It's not crass if it's true. Apr 8 2013, 05:23 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 8 2013, 06:23 PM) I... Apr 8 2013, 05:41 PM motormad QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 8 2013, 06:41 PM) ... Apr 8 2013, 05:56 PM stewiegriffin For those banging on about how she saved the econo... Apr 8 2013, 06:59 PM motormad And is that her fault and only her fault? Apr 8 2013, 07:16 PM On the edge QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 8 2013, 08:16 PM) A... Apr 8 2013, 08:55 PM blackdog QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 8 2013, 07:57 PM... Apr 8 2013, 08:37 PM On the edge QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 8 2013, 09:37 PM) P... Apr 8 2013, 08:57 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 8 2013, 09:37 PM) P... Apr 8 2013, 09:33 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 8 2013, 09:33 PM... Apr 9 2013, 01:13 PM Jayjay John Smith, the Labour party leader who died in of... Apr 8 2013, 09:10 PM stewiegriffin QUOTE (Jayjay @ Apr 8 2013, 10:10 PM) Joh... Apr 8 2013, 09:19 PM blackdog QUOTE (Jayjay @ Apr 8 2013, 10:10 PM) Joh... Apr 8 2013, 10:23 PM Blake What a surprise.
The Guardian can only ever be r... Apr 9 2013, 08:43 AM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Blake @ Apr 9 2013, 09:43 AM) What... Apr 9 2013, 09:50 AM pbonnay QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2013, 10:50 AM... Apr 9 2013, 11:53 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (pbonnay @ Apr 9 2013, 12:53 PM) Wh... Apr 9 2013, 12:23 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 12:23 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 12:43 PM pbonnay QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 9 2013, 01:43 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 12:51 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 9 2013, 01:43 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 01:26 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 12:23 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 01:15 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2013, 02:15 ... Apr 9 2013, 01:28 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 01:28 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 02:18 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2013, 03:18 ... Apr 9 2013, 02:25 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 02:25 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 02:36 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Blake @ Apr 9 2013, 09:43 AM) The ... Apr 9 2013, 01:08 PM pbonnay QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2013, 02:08 PM... Apr 9 2013, 01:17 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2013, 01:08 PM... Apr 9 2013, 01:18 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2013, 02:18 ... Apr 9 2013, 04:11 PM pbonnay QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2013, 05:11 PM... Apr 9 2013, 04:21 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2013, 05:11 PM... Apr 9 2013, 04:49 PM pbonnay QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 05:49 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 05:46 PM Simon Kirby * double post * Apr 9 2013, 04:11 PM Newbelly QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2013, 01:08 PM... Apr 9 2013, 02:11 PM motormad I showed this thread to a gay person and he said t... Apr 9 2013, 01:21 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 9 2013, 01:21 PM) I... Apr 9 2013, 01:24 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 9 2013, 02:21 PM) I... Apr 9 2013, 01:37 PM motormad QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 02:37 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 03:05 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 9 2013, 04:05 PM) M... Apr 9 2013, 03:32 PM Gazzadp Well being young enough to be one of her victims, ... Apr 9 2013, 02:04 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Gazzadp @ Apr 9 2013, 02:04 PM) We... Apr 9 2013, 02:19 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2013, 03:19 ... Apr 9 2013, 02:28 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 02:28 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 02:38 PM pbonnay QUOTE (Gazzadp @ Apr 9 2013, 03:04 PM) We... Apr 9 2013, 02:35 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (pbonnay @ Apr 9 2013, 03:35 PM) Co... Apr 9 2013, 02:56 PM pbonnay QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 03:56 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 03:12 PM dannyboy can someone remind me what was unfair about the co... Apr 9 2013, 03:20 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 9 2013, 04:20 PM) c... Apr 9 2013, 03:44 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 9 2013, 04:44 PM) ... Apr 9 2013, 03:46 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 9 2013, 04:46 PM) y... Apr 9 2013, 04:22 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 9 2013, 04:20 PM) c... Apr 9 2013, 03:51 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2013, 04:51 PM... Apr 9 2013, 03:55 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 9 2013, 03:55 PM) I... Apr 9 2013, 04:06 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 9 2013, 04:55 PM) I... Apr 9 2013, 04:14 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 9 2013, 04:55 PM) I... Apr 9 2013, 04:26 PM pbonnay QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 9 2013, 04:20 PM) c... Apr 9 2013, 03:55 PM GMR Margaret Thatcher was what this country needed aft... Apr 9 2013, 04:33 PM
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