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post Jan 16 2013, 10:44 PM
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What a revelation that Tesco have been selling burgers with a high percentage of horse meat. If I were French, I might find this acceptable but when something is sold in the UK as a Beefburger then that's what the public should get, not a Horseburger. Happy to say that we don't shop there or at Iceland who also were a bit guilty of the same thing.

Can we trust the supermarkets when one of the majors stoop to such tricks. They said they didn't know but it was interesting to hear in the report that the animal product came from Europe but through a manufacturer in the UK. I'm reassured by the fact that the product was not harmful to the Tesco customers but.........



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post Feb 25 2013, 05:52 PM
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As somebody who is a horse lover I find recent events (horse in burgers) disturbing. Let us hope that the culprits are brought to justice and dealt with harshly. A collective European response will solve this problem. This will do a lot of damage to the meat trade, not only in this country but across Europe.
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post Feb 25 2013, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 05:52 PM) *
As somebody who is a horse lover I find recent events (horse in burgers) disturbing.

The horses are going to die anyway, why not eat them?

The worrying issue about the current scandal is that there are people out there prepared to break the law by selling cheaper meat as beef, when it isn't. Leading to the worry that they might not care about hygiene and food safety issues either.

I wouldn't mind eating horse, but I expect the packaging to tell me I am buying horse.
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post Feb 25 2013, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 25 2013, 06:05 PM) *
The horses are going to die anyway, why not eat them?

The worrying issue about the current scandal is that there are people out there prepared to break the law by selling cheaper meat as beef, when it isn't. Leading to the worry that they might not care about hygiene and food safety issues either.

I wouldn't mind eating horse, but I expect the packaging to tell me I am buying horse.


Because unlike cows or sheep horses are pets. You wouldn't eat your dog or even a human? Yes, we are all meat, but there are limits.

You are correct the law is the main issue and as you correctly said 'hygiene and food safety issues'. That is why those people should be harshly punished.
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post Mar 14 2013, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 06:11 PM) *
Because unlike cows or sheep horses are pets. You wouldn't eat your dog or even a human? Yes, we are all meat, but there are limits.


I think Blackdog is right..
At the end of the day, meat is meat, protein is just that - There is no difference between a cow or a sheep or a horse.
Are you saying because someone appears to be more cute and fluffy, you can't eat it?

People in this country eat Rabbit, Beef (cow) Duck, Chicken, Lamb, Steak/Bacon (pig) and you know all of those can be pets. All over the rest of the world, the same along with Snail, Fish (technically a sort of meat, it's an animal people have as pets at the end of the day), Dog, Cats even, are all ate. Now am I saying would I like to have a cute fluffy kitten killed infront of me and then for me to eat it? Not particularly, but if it were for sale and it was tasty I would eat it.
It does not change my position as a huge cat lover and would not mean I'd chop up Jasper or Wednesday if I got a bit peckish..........Animals can be bred for recreation (pets) or bred for money, or bred for slaughter and food.

I think you have a very blinkered approach. To suggest that a sheeps life or a horses life is more valuable than a cow is preposterous. And like Blackdog says, if an animal is going to die ANYWAY and would be purchased by people to eat then what's the actual problem......

I would eat Human if it were for example the only meat available. If I were shipwrecked and needed to survive I would turn to eating the dead thin person next to me who's fat reserves ran out.
Who knows, maybe it's very nice, but at the end of the day, muscle tissue is just that and it wouldn't make a difference if it came from a cow or a sheep or a rats **** as long as it were safe to eat.

As a meat eater I am not up-my-own-**** enough to say well I can eat Cows because I don't like them but I won't eat sheep..........????!??!?!?!?

Now for you to sit there and say "you can eat beef, I don't care about that, you can't eat a sheep or a horse because it's peoples pet" is pretty ignorant to the world at large. It's like saying "I'm a vegetarian because I think animals should be left in nature and not killed to be eaten" and then go and eat some fish.
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post Mar 15 2013, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Mar 14 2013, 11:05 PM) *
Now for you to sit there and say "you can eat beef, I don't care about that, you can't eat a sheep or a horse because it's peoples pet" is pretty ignorant to the world at large. It's like saying "I'm a vegetarian because I think animals should be left in nature and not killed to be eaten" and then go and eat some fish.
Joffas the lot of you.

I'm not sure that the acned arachnid was telling you what you could or couldn't eat, but rather explaining that meat isn't just protein, it's the flesh of something that was once alive, and that there is a range of attitude out there towards the dead animals people are happy eating with the English generally not eating horses, and perhaps more importantly, not much liking horses being eaten. It wasn't always thus, and it's far from universal, but horse is still something of a taboo.

So no, meat isn't just meat, flesh was once a living animal, and that engages, to a greater or lesser extent in different cultures and individuals, our innate respect for life. So it's not as simple as you choosing to eat whatever you like, because collectively we need to be mindful of the feelings of others - so vegetarians can't exactly impose their views, but neither can you indulge your carnality without a thought for the offence it might cause.


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