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Feb 2 2013, 12:59 PM
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MPs vote next week on Gay Marriage - see the bill. It's a free vote so MPs will be voting with their conscience and not along party lines. The act will give same-sex couples some of the same rights to marry as those enjoyed by opposite-sex couples, but intolerant religious groups will still be free to discriminate against gay couples who want to marry in their buildings, and the Church of England specifically will not be free to host a gay wedding even if the parish priest wanted to. Dear Mr. Benyon I'm married, and have been for the last 26 years. My marriage, and the public celebration of the committment that it signifies, has and will always be the single most significant act of my life. I can't imagine how intolerable it must be for other couples to be denied that same recognition of their love and committment for no better reason than their common gender. I'm not happy that the discriminatory views of the religious have been protected in the Bill. No one has supernatural authority for their point of view, and this debate has made it clear to me that the disestablishment of the Church of England is well overdue. Please support the Bill.
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Feb 3 2013, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 3 2013, 03:27 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) I don't think it does owe you the right to use their building. You're right of course, the law as it stands, and the Bill as drafted, do not give everyone the right to a church wedding, churches are indeed allowed to discriminate on the grounds of gender, and the CofE is not allowed to offer same-sex marriages even if the priest wanted to. Incidentally, all same-sex couples have a legal right to be married in their CofE parish church, so while the CofE is prevented by law from marrying committed same-sex christians, it is obliged to marry opposite sex practising satanists.
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Feb 3 2013, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 3 2013, 07:58 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) You're right of course, the law as it stands, and the Bill as drafted, do not give everyone the right to a church wedding, churches are indeed allowed to discriminate on the grounds of gender, and the CofE is not allowed to offer same-sex marriages even if the priest wanted to.
Incidentally, all same-sex couples have a legal right to be married in their CofE parish church, so while the CofE is prevented by law from marrying committed same-sex christians, it is obliged to marry opposite sex practising satanists. Do the CofE actually own the building? They have stewardship, which is a subtly different thing.
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Feb 3 2013, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 3 2013, 09:37 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Do the CofE actually own the building? They have stewardship, which is a subtly different thing. According to this page CofE churches are generally owned by the rector or vicar, and I'd assume they were owned in trust.
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Simon Kirby Gay Marriage Feb 2 2013, 12:59 PM NWNREADER I am ambivalent, but mystified as to the haste wit... Feb 2 2013, 01:06 PM Strafin It's ridiculous, it is an affront to a free so... Feb 2 2013, 03:20 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 2 2013, 03:20 PM) It... Feb 2 2013, 03:52 PM Strafin Yes, by forcing private groups and individuals to ... Feb 2 2013, 04:18 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 2 2013, 04:18 PM) Ye... Feb 2 2013, 04:31 PM Strafin I don't believe it is discrimination. Feb 2 2013, 04:19 PM Strafin I don't believe it is discrimination. Feb 2 2013, 04:19 PM NWNREADER Neither do I.
There are very few, if any, benefit... Feb 2 2013, 04:36 PM Strafin But "marriage" and the term "marria... Feb 2 2013, 04:39 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 2 2013, 04:39 PM) Bu... Feb 2 2013, 05:11 PM NWNREADER The lawyers will get rich on all the extra divorce... Feb 2 2013, 05:50 PM motormad Interesting topic.
I think it boils down to, you ... Feb 2 2013, 09:47 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Strafin I think you're missing the point slightly Simo... Feb 2 2013, 10:07 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 2 2013, 10:07 PM) I ... Feb 3 2013, 12:36 PM On the edge Lets just follow the French example, all marriage ... Feb 2 2013, 10:17 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Turin Machine QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 2 2013, 10:17 PM... Feb 2 2013, 11:24 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Exhausted QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 2 2013, 11:24 ... Feb 3 2013, 12:40 PM lordtup It is like the old adage of which came first the c... Feb 3 2013, 01:16 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) On the edge QUOTE (lordtup @ Feb 3 2013, 01:16 PM) It... Feb 3 2013, 01:39 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 3 2013, 01:39 PM... Feb 3 2013, 02:37 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Exhausted QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 3 2013, 02:37 PM... Feb 3 2013, 03:26 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 3 2013, 02:37 PM... Feb 3 2013, 03:53 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Squelchy QUOTE (lordtup @ Feb 3 2013, 01:16 PM) It... Feb 7 2013, 01:20 PM Strafin Is the any such thing as a common law marriage? Feb 3 2013, 01:57 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 3 2013, 01:57 PM) Is... Feb 3 2013, 10:40 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby *D'oh!* Feb 3 2013, 09:15 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 3 2013, 09:55 PM... Feb 3 2013, 10:45 PM Penelope If gays want to get married then so what? Why sho... Feb 3 2013, 05:13 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) lordtup QUOTE (Penelope @ Feb 3 2013, 05:13 PM) I... Feb 3 2013, 06:12 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Penelope QUOTE (lordtup @ Feb 3 2013, 06:12 PM) Pe... Feb 3 2013, 06:16 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) lordtup QUOTE (Penelope @ Feb 3 2013, 06:16 PM) N... Feb 3 2013, 07:06 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Penelope QUOTE (lordtup @ Feb 3 2013, 07:06 PM) Ma... Feb 3 2013, 09:20 PM GMR Does it matter who marries who? We are all free pe... Feb 3 2013, 05:41 PM Strafin It's not discrimination though, I assume you... Feb 3 2013, 08:41 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 3 2013, 08:41 PM) It... Feb 3 2013, 09:13 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 3 2013, 08:41 PM) I ... Feb 3 2013, 09:48 PM On the edge So, in a nut shell, wholly agree that these ancien... Feb 3 2013, 09:52 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 3 2013, 09:52 PM... Feb 3 2013, 10:20 PM Strafin Well I won't tick the gift aid box on any dona... Feb 3 2013, 10:39 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 3 2013, 10:39 PM) We... Feb 4 2013, 12:19 PM Strafin As much right as anybody else I guess, you seem to... Feb 4 2013, 06:42 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 4 2013, 06:42 PM) As... Feb 4 2013, 07:18 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 4 2013, 06:42 PM) I ... Feb 4 2013, 07:36 PM Strafin The venue is unimportant. I object to same sex mar... Feb 4 2013, 07:38 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 4 2013, 07:38 PM) Th... Feb 4 2013, 07:49 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 4 2013, 07:38 PM) Th... Feb 4 2013, 07:51 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 4 2013, 07:51 PM) ... Feb 4 2013, 08:15 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 4 2013, 08:15 PM... Feb 4 2013, 08:18 PM JaneGibbs I don't know what all the fuss is about. Why c... Feb 4 2013, 07:52 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) motormad QUOTE (JaneGibbs @ Feb 4 2013, 07:52 PM) ... Feb 5 2013, 01:28 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) newres QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 5 2013, 01:28 AM) B... Feb 5 2013, 05:07 PM On the edge I for one can't see any secular why anyone not... Feb 4 2013, 08:00 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 4 2013, 08:00 PM... Feb 4 2013, 08:21 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 4 2013, 08:21 PM... Feb 4 2013, 09:52 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 4 2013, 08:00 PM... Feb 4 2013, 08:15 PM newres I'm afraid that I am old fashioned too. Marria... Feb 4 2013, 08:16 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (newres @ Feb 4 2013, 08:16 PM) I... Feb 4 2013, 08:26 PM Andy Capp All that being said, I see it as a big load of old... Feb 4 2013, 08:30 PM Strafin They'll be letting girls into the scout moveme... Feb 4 2013, 09:23 PM Rusty Bullet Seems to me our M.P's are going about this all... Feb 5 2013, 05:34 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Turin Machine QUOTE (Rusty Bullet @ Feb 5 2013, 05:34 ... Feb 5 2013, 07:46 PM desres123 seems to me that the mps have to much time on thei... Feb 5 2013, 06:13 PM Spider Gay marriage, more women and black people in impor... Feb 25 2013, 05:26 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 05:26 PM) Ga... Feb 25 2013, 05:49 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Spider QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 25 2013, 05:49 P... Feb 25 2013, 06:29 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 06:29 PM) We... Feb 25 2013, 07:26 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 06:29 PM) We... Feb 25 2013, 07:40 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) motormad QUOTE (Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 05:26 PM) Ga... Feb 25 2013, 07:48 PM
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