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Mr Garvie's letter in the NWN today (20/12) is disingenuous |
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Dec 20 2012, 06:25 PM
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LETTER IN THE NWN TODAY (20TH Dec) by Richard GarvieQUOTE "With you in tough times?
FAILING schools, rising fuel prices and help for the growing number of homeless in West Berkshire. All subjects featured in last week's letters in Newbury Weekly News.
Is this what people vote for at the last General Election when they voted Tory, or Lib Dem? Did they vote for longer waiting times at the Royal Berkshire Hospital, the withdrawal of support for those in full-time education, or the need to reply on food banks?
The economic policies of this Government have failed, and whilst our local MP 'praises' the work of local food banks, I feel he, and our local Liberal Democrat candidate, need to think about why these food banks exist in the first place.
Richard Garvie, Newbury Labour Party" I must take umbrage with Richard Garvie's letter in the Newbury Weekly News today. Either he is stupid or playing politics.In his letter he says "The economic policies of this Government failed". Did anybody really expect that any government, any economic policies would solve our crisis – which I might add were caused by the Labour Government – within 2 years of being elected? The state of our debt was going to take many years into the future and properly beyond. I also must remind Mr Garvie that Alistair Darlings and Brown's economic policies weren't that far of from the Tories. All the failures that Mr Garvie pointed out would have happened whoever was in power.Mr Garvie say the government's economic policies have failed? According to whom (apart from Labour politicians and Mr Balls)? If you listen to independent economic experts the governments polices have better chance than the current Labour parties policies of spend, spend, spend.Mr Garvie said in today's paper "is that what people voted for at the last General Election? That is a stupid comment. We are in debt and whoever would have been in power would have created the same results. Even Balls said he wouldn't undo the coalition's government current economic policies. He is being totally disingenuous and insulting with his letter. To suggest that Labour would have solved the problems that Labour created themselves is laughable. Just a matter of interest; we had soup kitchens and food parcels under the last failed Labour government. And didn't Brown and Darling praise those soup kitchens and food parcels when they were in government?
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Dec 21 2012, 12:58 PM
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I don't support any of the main parties, but the idea that the current economic crisis was caused entirely by the New Labour government can't go unchallenged. This is my take on what has actually happened: - Thatcher decimated the UK's industrial base during the 1980s and created, via the Big Bang, a dependence on the banks and the financial sector. She also blew our North Sea oil income instead of reinvesting them for the long term, which is what Norway has done;
- Major reinforced this trend and introduced the Private Finance Initiative which, disastrously, mortgaged public sector assets long term to gain short cash for the exchequer (meanwhile Europ's most successful economy, Germany, followed almost exactly the opposite course, strenghtening its industries and keeping banks in check - it's far too late for us to emulate them now);
- Blair realised that the only way that Labour could win an election was to seize the centre ground and appeal to tory voters. His Chancellor, Brown, further degregulated the banks.
- Up to 2008 the tories broadly supported Labour's spending plans;
- the credit crunch in 2008 was caused by deeply corrupt practices within deregulated banks in both the USA and UK;
- Brown was forced to nationalise major chunks of UK banks to prevent a complete meltdown of the system.
- Neither Cameron nor the Libdems won the 2010 general election. Instead they cobbled together a coalition which is forcing through policies which, as Cameron boasts, are far more radical than those even contemplated by other conservative governments. The Libdems, led by the deeply distrusted Clegg, are treated with contempt by the tories and ignored on all issues of substance but continue, suicidally to prop up Cameron'
- Labour are an ineffective opposition and have elected a deeply ineffective charisma-free leader who can't relate to ordinary people.
- We're all doomed.
- That's it.
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Dec 21 2012, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (Sherlock @ Dec 21 2012, 12:58 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) I don't support any of the main parties, but the idea that the current economic crisis was caused entirely by the New Labour government can't go unchallenged. This is my take on what has actually happened: - Thatcher decimated the UK's industrial base during the 1980s and created, via the Big Bang, a dependence on the banks and the financial sector. She also blew our North Sea oil income instead of reinvesting them for the long term, which is what Norway has done;
- Major reinforced this trend and introduced the Private Finance Initiative which, disastrously, mortgaged public sector assets long term to gain short cash for the exchequer (meanwhile Europ's most successful economy, Germany, followed almost exactly the opposite course, strenghtening its industries and keeping banks in check - it's far too late for us to emulate them now);
- Blair realised that the only way that Labour could win an election was to seize the centre ground and appeal to tory voters. His Chancellor, Brown, further degregulated the banks.
- Up to 2008 the tories broadly supported Labour's spending plans;
- the credit crunch in 2008 was caused by deeply corrupt practices within deregulated banks in both the USA and UK;
- Brown was forced to nationalise major chunks of UK banks to prevent a complete meltdown of the system.
- Neither Cameron nor the Libdems won the 2010 general election. Instead they cobbled together a coalition which is forcing through policies which, as Cameron boasts, are far more radical than those even contemplated by other conservative governments. The Libdems, led by the deeply distrusted Clegg, are treated with contempt by the tories and ignored on all issues of substance but continue, suicidally to prop up Cameron'
- Labour are an ineffective opposition and have elected a deeply ineffective charisma-free leader who can't relate to ordinary people.
- We're all doomed.
- That's it.
Yep - that's about it. Shame the predictions about the end of the Earth weren't accurate!
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GMR Mr Garvie's letter in the NWN today (20/12) is disingenuous Dec 20 2012, 06:25 PM motormad I personally think you should get out more.
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