What do the LibDems actjually stand for?, Is it simply power at any cost? Options

[On the edge]

Reading the Community Radio thread, it was pretty obvious Richard G had been in deep and meaningful discussion with senior LibDems before his proposition hit the public. That could have been put down to straightforward enthusiasm to get support for a cherished idea.

This weeks' NWN reveals that those discussions went far deeper and seem to be implying that approaches came from LibDems themselves. This was the astounding proposition that Richard, an avowed Socialist should drop his principles and stand as a LibDem at the next general election. This, of course, is the self same party that felt its principles could be stretched to keep the Tories in power for five years! To me, this means that LibDems have no principles, no degree of honour, no policy they would not willingly sacrifice simply for power.

Press report suggests that the bate wasn't taken - but as far as I'm concerned, the damage is done. Trust in politicians is at an all time low - but as far as I'm concerned, don't think I'd ever trust a LibDem again.

[Andy Capp]

GMR ... I stand up an applaud your posts. Bang on. And I say this without being your biggest fan nor a devotee of the Lib Dems. If what is said is true about RG, then he is making a common sense decision taking into account of the conditions before him.


Saying all that, I will never vote for any councillor that hung Simon Kirby like the Newbury Council did. All parties.

[On the edge]

GMR ... I stand up an applaud your posts. Bang on. And I say this without being your biggest fan nor a devotee of the Lib Dems. If what is said is true about RG, then he is making a common sense decision taking into account of the conditions before him.


Saying all that, I will never vote for any councillor that hung Simon Kirby like the Newbury Council did. All parties.

Totally agree with your comment about Simon Kirby. That just about put the final on my view of the LibDems.

However, if its right what you say about RG - we might as well forget any political debate, forget any principles or visions, on election day, just go with the biggest gob. Locally, it would eventually mean party politics are ended and so just a society of friends run the show. I suppose that's the European way; look at Italy. One way to run a country; not sure I'd like it .

[Andy Capp]

Totally agree with your comment about Simon Kirby. That just about put the final on my view of the LibDems.

However, if its right what you say about RG - we might as well forget any political debate, forget any principles or visions, on election day, just go with the biggest gob. Locally, it would eventually mean party politics are ended and so just a society of friends run the show. I suppose that's the European way; look at Italy. One way to run a country; not sure I'd like it .

I'm not sure that party politics has any meaning at local level. Indeed, at national level they are all very close.

[On the edge]

I'm not sure that party politics has any meaning at local level. Indeed, at national level they are all very close.

Certainly that's exactly how it seems today - which is why the posturing is so time wasting and pointless. That being so, why does anyone these days stand for election? What is their motivation? Regrettably in most cases it's the personal pursuit of power - simply I know best and I want to be in charge.

The system to get you there is simply to appeal to enough voters at a point in time - so of course, I'll be whatever you want. That's it for five years, and we go round again. Truly an elected dictatorship.

At local level, its not even elected. The paid officials run the Council against criteria set by central government. No room for any other input whatsoever. In reality, we don't elect councillors, rather amateur social workers.

Sad its come to this, but not really surprising.

[NWNREADER]

Certainly that's exactly how it seems today - which is why the posturing is so time wasting and pointless. That being so, why does anyone these days stand for election? What is their motivation? Regrettably in most cases it's the personal pursuit of power - simply I know best and I want to be in charge.

The system to get you there is simply to appeal to enough voters at a point in time - so of course, I'll be whatever you want. That's it for five years, and we go round again. Truly an elected dictatorship.

At local level, its not even elected. The paid officials run the Council against criteria set by central government. No room for any other input whatsoever. In reality, we don't elect councillors, rather amateur social workers.

Sad its come to this, but not really surprising.

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