Dodgy Dave, Don't most people get sacked for back handers? Options

[Adrian Hollister]

In the news is Dodgy Dave who seems to be accepting back handers for access to him and his policies; so I think the government must declare all lobbying activities, any political funds associated and any personal funds that MP's may benefit from. This is something that I've asked Benyon about, but as usual I got the 'no real answer' letter back discussing the weather and how nice and thick parliamentary paper is .

I've also wondered why NWN never cover things like this? Dealing with corruption effects us all, so perhaps they are a little too caution to cover sensitive issues for those in 'power'.

So what do you lot think? Should we just allow the corruption to continue; or do we need reform?

[Squelchy]

Cameron dealt with the problem immediately

I agree he was slow

*sigh*

If Labour were to win a general election tomorrow, then not only would we have a governing party funded by unions, but also the fact that they would have chosen our Prime Minister as well!

Labour leaders are voted for by party members, affiliated organisations, Labour M.P's and affiliated Trade Unions. As a union member you even have the right to opt-out of the political fund if you want. Seems far more democratic than the way Tory leaders just seem to emerge.

I haven't voted for the Tories for at least 20 years... I do accept that humour passes some people by.

Cheer up, there are those who find the idea of voting for U.K.I.P quite comical. You continue to entertain.

[GMR]

*sigh*

Actually I meant he acted quickly were the offender was concerned, but releasing the names of those that had dinner with him he was slow.

Labour leaders are voted for by party members, affiliated organisations, Labour M.P's and affiliated Trade Unions. As a union member you even have the right to opt-out of the political fund if you want. Seems far more democratic than the way Tory leaders just seem to emerge.

Yes, but it was the Unions that tiped the leadership in his favour otherwise his brother would have won.

Cheer up, there are those who find the idea of voting for U.K.I.P quite comical. You continue to entertain.

I am cheered up thanks, however you seem to need a life if a few words on this forum entertains you. But then I suppose this forum serves some peoples needs (and life); so on that note I am glad I've done something to cheer up a dull existence.

[Andy Capp]

Actually I meant he acted quickly were the offender was concerned, but releasing the names of those that had dinner with him he was slow.

Which are the actions of a slippery character.

[GMR]

Which are the actions of a slippery character.

You say "slippery character" but I think it is unfair to single out Cameron when they are all the same; just look at Blair and Brown. Both far worse than Dave.

Another point. He didn't have to release anything as it was a private dinner that wasn't funded by the government/ tax payer. How could you call Cameron a slippery character when the others haven't released their private dinner engagements? I think this is more of a case of Tory bashing and being biased. If your comments were directed at all parties then I would say a fair point but your comments are directed as the Tories/ Cameron.

[Cognosco]

You say "slippery character" but I think it is unfair to single out Cameron when they are all the same; just look at Blair and Brown. Both far worse than Dave.

Another point. He didn't have to release anything as it was a private dinner that wasn't funded by the government/ tax payer. How could you call Cameron a slippery character when the others haven't released their private dinner engagements? I think this is more of a case of Tory bashing and being biased. If your comments were directed at all parties then I would say a fair point but your comments are directed as the Tories/ Cameron.

Blair and Labour were in government a lot longer Dave has only been in a short time in comparison and if he keeps this Pace of gaffs up WBC & NTC could find they have some competition on there hands.

Did not Dave say before the election he wanted open and transparent government? Does it mean that if he pays for something out of his own pocket rather than the taxpayer then he does not have to be open and transparent? Anyway he did not pay for dinner did he? The tab was paid for by the investor who was paying contributions to ensure Dave carried out policies that were obviously in the investors favour. Otherwise why pay donations to a political party if you were not going to get anythng in return? That would be like not trying to avoid paying tax would it not?

[GMR]

Blair and Labour were in government a lot longer Dave has only been in a short time in comparison and if he keeps this Pace of gaffs up WBC & NTC could find they have some competition on there hands.

Maybe you could tell me what gaffs? I wouldn't actually call this one a gaff; it was a dinner party.

Did not Dave say before the election he wanted open and transparent government? Does it mean that if he pays for something out of his own pocket rather than the taxpayer then he does not have to be open and transparent? Anyway he did not pay for dinner did he? The tab was paid for by the investor who was paying contributions to ensure Dave carried out policies that were obviously in the investors favour. Otherwise why pay donations to a political party if you were not going to get anythng in return? That would be like not trying to avoid paying tax would it not?

Yes and he was talking about Lobbying. This wasn't lobbying but a dinner party. There is a distinction between the two.

[Jayjay]

Maybe you could tell me what gaffs?

Right, well lets start with Ken Clarke and his definition of rape, which he had to apologise for.

Then there is Liam Fox who stepped down for taking his friend on 18 'holidays'.

Move on to Oliver Letwin, who recycled constituents correspondence in park litter bins and of course Vince Cable who left his unshredded parliamentary papers in clear bags for recyling outside his hone.

Oliver Letwin yet again, who didn't want people from Sheffield going on cheap flights.

David Cameron and his 'looking two ways' insult to Pakistan, where he had to fly over and apologise, oh and he gave them quite a bit of money to say sorry - £600M.

David Cameron's claim more people were in work now under under Tories, when his own offices figures showed it was 26,000 less.

[GMR]

Right, well lets start with Ken Clarke and his definition of rape, which he had to apologise for.

Then there is Liam Fox who stepped down for taking his friend on 18 'holidays'.

Move on to Oliver Letwin, who recycled constituents correspondence in park litter bins and of course Vince Cable who left his unshredded parliamentary papers in clear bags for recyling outside his hone.

Oliver Letwin yet again, who didn't want people from Sheffield going on cheap flights.

David Cameron and his 'looking two ways' insult to Pakistan, where he had to fly over and apologise, oh and he gave them quite a bit of money to say sorry - £600M.

David Cameron's claim more people were in work now under under Tories, when his own offices figures showed it was 26,000 less.

I wouldn't call them gaffs, more like stupidity. I don't think there is government in history who hasn't had stupid ministers; it goes with the territory.