Health & Social Care Bill Options

[Cognosco]

According to the NWN Richard Benyon has refused a debate over the NHS Health Bill with Newbry Labour party spokesperson Richard Garvie. David Rendell has offered to take part but it would appear that the local MP is not prepared to debate this very important issue. He has stated he will talk with any constituents who may have concerns at his office.

Thoughts?

Surprised there has been not debate on the forum over such a very important topic.

[Strafin]

I wouldn't expect him to take part in a debate with a "Labour Party Spokesman". I'm not having a pop at Richard Garvie, if there was an election due or if he was a parliamentary candidate it might be different. I like that Rendel has "offered" to take part, what a desperate and sad old loser he has become!

[Bloggo]

I wouldn't expect him to take part in a debate with a "Labour Party Spokesman". I'm not having a pop at Richard Garvie, if there was an election due or if he was a parliamentary candidate it might be different. I like that Rendel has "offered" to take part, what a desperate and sad old loser he has become!

Rendel is so desperate for visibility he would turn up for the opening of an envelope.

[Squelchy]

Rendel is so desperate for visibility he would turn up for the opening of an envelope.

As opposed to Benyon who is not prepared to either debate it in public or explain it outside the confines of his office? I wonder why that would be?


The 'envelope' line was first used by Private Eye about Princess Michael of Kent ( a.k.a.Princess Pushy) over 30 years ago. Got any newer material?

[NWNREADER]

As opposed to Benyon who is not prepared to either debate it in public or explain it outside the confines of his office? I wonder why that would be?

Where did you see/hear he has said that?

[Cognosco]

Where did you see/hear he has said that?

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/health-...save-nhs-benyon

[Strafin]

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/health-...save-nhs-benyon

That doesn't say he is unwilling to debate it in public, it says that he has declined an invitation from a member of the public to debate it in an arena that is not appropriate.

[Cognosco]

That doesn't say he is unwilling to debate it in public, it says that he has declined an invitation from a member of the public to debate it in an arena that is not appropriate.

"he would speak to any unhappy constituents at his office"

When questioned on why the NHS was undergoing a top down reorganisation when the party manifesto stated there would not be before the election Richard Benyon would only quote the Tory party inane response.

"It is a bottom up reorganisation"

Like others I must admit to not understanding most of the Bill but I do think it is a dangerous precedence just to keep quiet and not try to understand just what is trying to be achieved, instead of trying to understand just how it will affect the NHS.
It would appear that most health proffesionals are against the Bill so I really do have concerns especially when seeing how the free markets and privatisation has affected other organisations such as the railways, utilities etc.

[NWNREADER]

"he would speak to any unhappy constituents at his office"

When questioned on why the NHS was undergoing a top down reorganisation when the party manifesto stated there would not be before the election Richard Benyon would only quote the Tory party inane response.

"It is a bottom up reorganisation"

Like others I must admit to not understanding most of the Bill but I do think it is a dangerous precedence just to keep quiet and not try to understand just what is trying to be achieved, instead of trying to understand just how it will affect the NHS.
It would appear that most health proffesionals are against the Bill so I really do have concerns especially when seeing how the free markets and privatisation has affected other organisations such as the railways, utilities etc.

'Only' in his office?

I guess the interpretation of not being top down is the Ministry is not involved, only the patient-facing structure and the immediate management level above that......

I do not propose just keeping quiet, but I do caution against relying on the media for quality explanations........ including the weight of opposition and the quality of their case. That is a difficulty us mere citizens have with all too many Government activities - we are conditioned by the media and politicians, not informed.

[Cognosco]

'Only' in his office?

I guess the interpretation of not being top down is the Ministry is not involved, only the patient-facing structure and the immediate management level above that......

I do not propose just keeping quiet, but I do caution against relying on the media for quality explanations........ including the weight of opposition and the quality of their case. That is a difficulty us mere citizens have with all too many Government activities - we are conditioned by the media and politicians, not informed.

Best not delay too long it may be too late - by the time the we have obtained the relevant information we may have lost our NHS as we know it! How do you suggest a layman gets an interpretation of the Bill to be able to understand it? Or is not explained clearly on purpose - what the normal average person doesn't know will not hurt them attitude?

As there has been no discussion of the bill locally are we to assume there is no opposition then?

[NWNREADER]

Best not delay too long it may be too late - by the time the we have obtained the relevant information we may have lost our NHS as we know it! How do you suggest a layman gets an interpretation of the Bill to be able to understand it? Or is not explained clearly on purpose - what the normal average person doesn't know will not hurt them attitude?

As there has been no discussion of the bill locally are we to assume there is no opposition then?

Could be.......


'Lost the NHS as we know it'?

The NHS I know gives me a Dr almost whenever I want to see him, a Dentist likewise (although I do have to contribute) and access to specialist services. Which of those is being cancelled?
At the moment my GP has to have referrals approved through a management budget control system; in the future he will not need to do that as he will have control.

[Andy Capp]

At the moment my GP has to have referrals approved through a management budget control system; in the future he will not need to do that as he will have control.

Which will amount to the GP telling you you can't be referred to a chiropractor, rather than a management committee telling you so.