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Calls to reduce the A34 to a 50mph limit, Yet more namby pamby nonsense |
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Jan 23 2012, 11:59 AM
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article...articleID=18949Basically, Brightwalton resident and Green party activist Adrian Hollister has said “enough is enough.” and wants the A34 between Oxfordshire boarder and the M4 to be a 50mph limit. Apparently his year of living in West Ilsey was "living ****" (aww, bless him would he like a lollypop?) According to this clearly very entertaining fellow he has no idea how he would get out of his driveway and worries about his children bicycling in town. Adrian suggests average speed cameras (he fails to mention the large install and upkeep cost, plus paying for fines to be processed, that's not very green is it, plus the cameras are yellow), he adds: QUOTE “By doing so, I reckon 99 per cent of all the accidents on that road will go away, the traffic will flow more timely and the Downlands will be spared the anti-social driving of the panicked drivers searching for a diversion.” Since when has a member of the green party been able to give advice on what to do with the roads without having a conflict of interests? Oh no a few cars might have scratched their bumpers from time to time but at the end of the day changing the speed limit will not reduce crashes, it will just result in angrier drivers. Like when you're driving down the motorway and a lorry overtakes someone doing 52mph, causing the whole carridgeway to get tailbacked...inevitable they will be driving a Daewoo. Brightwalton is a 6.8mile drive from the A34 and a 2.6 mile drive from the A338. The B4494 is closer but it's also quieter. Well Adrian, I sincerely hope your children don't fall off their bicycles. And frankly assuming you live in the centre of Brightwalton, if you are letting your children cycle out far enough to get near to these major roads then I suggest you fit them with GPS tracking devices were you can not only monitor their speed and also keep an eye on their location so you can call upon your good friend the Honey Badger to rescue them. But if they did I doubt it would be because of someone doing 70mph on the A34. *real reason for edit; being awesome*
Reason for edit: Breaching the rules of the forum
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Jan 23 2012, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 23 2012, 11:59 AM) changing the speed limit will not reduce crashes, it will just result in angrier drivers angry, but alive and well? rofl Best laugh I've had all day thanks.
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Jan 23 2012, 04:08 PM
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I'm about as old as my shoe size actually. QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 23 2012, 02:34 PM) angry, but alive and well? rofl
Best laugh I've had all day thanks. I did hope you spotted this! No-one dies from speed do they? Unless it's speed the drug. But then if you were driving at speed on speed then you'd probably have a bigger problem than your speed. I drive at 80mph on the motorway and the A34, in complete safety by being observant of cars in my mirrors and any possible queues up ahead, and by keeping a safe following distance, using the correct lane, etc, have never nearly had an accident on the motorway or the A34. And as most traffic goes about 70-80mph anyway you're hardly flying past everyone. Only times were things happen are when Deadrie in her Volvo is sat there doing 55mph chatting away to her friend, or sat about 2 inches from the wheel, tunnel vision engaged, not looking in her mirrors and realising she's causing massive tailbacks because lorries are going past at no rate of speed at all, thereby causing tailbacks for faster traffic!! When I went on a plane (boy that was exciting, I slept most of the way) we were going at 500mph and we didn't have shunt! Unfortunately the causes of most accidents on the motorways are caused by falling asleep, texting, whatever. And whether you're doing 7 or 70 if you fall asleep or text while driving you will probably crash. There aren't any corners, or junctions (well there's like one) or traffic lights, or pedestrians on the A34 which is where most accidents happen - and I think if the national limit dual carridgeways and the motorways were de restricted (aka go as fast as you like) the accident rate wouldn't rise by more than 5% because only about 5% of people would go over the limit, and maybe only 1% of them would crash... The amounts of accidents caused by excessive speed are in the very low single percentile figures (between 3 and 8% depending where you look). In fact there are more accidents with cars in 30mph limits going UNDER the speed limit than there are on motorways AND dual carridgeways, full stop. So prooving that speeding does NOT cause accidents. Only a member of the green party would fight the battle on "speed" when in actual fact the modern day cars can stop about half as quickly as those cars on the road when the 70mph limit was introduced. So surely as logic goes we should be able to drive twice as quickly If there is a speed limit which makes no sense to the motoring public in general it will be ignored. The 50mph limit you would like makes no sense so it would be ignored. It won't happen and if it does I'd eat my hat and be your milkman for a week. **** why don't we just take your ideas and go one further and ban going over 30 all together? That way both the honey badger and your children on their bicycles would be safe and the fields would be green for many years to come (they won't, it'll just be colder and more rainy) Edit: I forgot to mention that in this countries seemingly endless and relentless attack on speed and infact anything even slightly fun, you forgot to note that compared to 50 years ago, there are nearly 7 times as many cars on the roads and yet there are 3 times the number of deaths. Vehicle numbers aside, we are using cars far more often than before as well. The accident rate has been near enough the same for the last 8 or 9 years - there's only so much you can do to reduce it, there will be a point where you can't have any less because there is only so much space.
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Jan 23 2012, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 23 2012, 04:08 PM) I'm about as old as my shoe size actually. That may just be your I.Q. QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 23 2012, 04:08 PM) No-one dies from speed do they? Sadly, Donald Campbell is not able to join the forum at this juncture.
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Jan 24 2012, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (Rusty Bullet @ Jan 23 2012, 06:53 PM) Sadly, Donald Campbell is not able to join the forum at this juncture. Speed didn't kill him. Speed does not kill. What gets every you is rapid acceleration/deceleration. Falling off tall buildings has never killed anyone. It's the bone-crunching sudden stop. I'd rather see action taken against the numb-nuts that drive cars on motorways in perfect conditions at 49mph because they don't like going fast.
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Jan 24 2012, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Jan 24 2012, 10:52 AM) Speed didn't kill him. Speed does not kill.
What gets every you is rapid acceleration/deceleration. Strange argument because the faster you are going the more severe the sudden stop leading to more damage. So my argument is that speed IS a factor in the severity of crashes and yes it does kill. If we all drove at say 4mph how many crashes would there be? And if there were any, how sever would the damage be?
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Jan 24 2012, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 24 2012, 05:14 PM) Strange argument because the faster you are going the more severe the sudden stop leading to more damage. So my argument is that speed IS a factor in the severity of crashes Agreed. QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 24 2012, 05:14 PM) ...and yes it does kill. I'm not sure we could ever travel fast enough for speed to kill us!
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xjay1337 Calls to reduce the A34 to a 50mph limit Jan 23 2012, 11:59 AM HJD QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 23 2012, 04:08 PM) ... Jan 23 2012, 05:14 PM Strafin QUOTE (Rusty Bullet @ Jan 23 2012, 06:53... Jan 23 2012, 07:08 PM Biker1 QUOTE (Rusty Bullet @ Jan 23 2012, 07:53... Jan 23 2012, 11:38 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 23 2012, 11:38 PM) If... Jan 24 2012, 12:09 AM Biker1 QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 24 2012, 02:09 AM)... Jan 24 2012, 05:07 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (Darren @ Jan 24 2012, 08:52 AM) I... Jan 24 2012, 09:34 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (Darren @ Jan 24 2012, 08:52 AM) I... Jan 24 2012, 11:34 AM Downlander Ahh, give the kid a break. I've got shoes tha... Jan 23 2012, 02:51 PM Strafin I see where Adrian is coming from, I just don... Jan 23 2012, 03:50 PM JeffG QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 23 2012, 03:50 PM) R... Jan 23 2012, 04:03 PM Strafin QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 23 2012, 04:03 PM) I t... Jan 23 2012, 04:21 PM Downlander I'd like to see them extend the northbound sli... Jan 23 2012, 04:10 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (Downlander @ Jan 23 2012, 04:10 PM... Jan 23 2012, 04:39 PM Adrian Hollister Speeding is such an emotive issue. So many people... Jan 23 2012, 05:53 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 23 2012, 05... Jan 23 2012, 05:59 PM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 23 2012, 05:59 PM)... Jan 23 2012, 06:18 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 23 2012, 06... Jan 23 2012, 06:42 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 23 2012, 05... Jan 23 2012, 06:08 PM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 23 2012, 06:08 PM) ... Jan 23 2012, 06:24 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 23 2012, 06... Jan 23 2012, 06:35 PM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 23 2012, 06:35 PM) ... Jan 23 2012, 06:39 PM blackdog QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 23 2012, 06:35 PM) ... Jan 23 2012, 07:03 PM blackdog Every time I go up the A34 the traffic is rarely g... Jan 23 2012, 05:56 PM xjay1337 I am not 109. Shoes would be very expensive as wel... Jan 23 2012, 07:00 PM gel Wonder if the A34 speed limit will rise in line wi... Jan 23 2012, 07:13 PM spartacus QUOTE (gel @ Jan 23 2012, 07:13 PM) Oxon ... Jan 23 2012, 07:29 PM user23 QUOTE I reckon 99 per cent of all the accidents on... Jan 23 2012, 07:46 PM Penelope ROFL ? seriously ? how old are you Adrian, like 16... Jan 23 2012, 08:00 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 23 2012, 08:00 PM) ... Jan 23 2012, 10:49 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 23 2012, 10:49 PM) ... Jan 23 2012, 11:04 PM Penelope So Xjay, stalking me are you ?? Still nice action... Jan 24 2012, 09:43 AM xjay1337 QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 09:43 AM) ... Jan 24 2012, 09:44 AM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 09:43 AM) ... Jan 24 2012, 11:30 AM xjay1337 QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 24 2012, 11... Jan 24 2012, 11:42 AM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 24 2012, 11:42 AM) ... Jan 24 2012, 11:54 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 24 2012, 11:42 AM) ... Jan 24 2012, 12:40 PM xjay1337 Throughput is speed, or bandwidth rather. So you... Jan 24 2012, 12:22 PM Penelope The obvious solution is a man with a red flag walk... Jan 24 2012, 12:56 PM On the edge QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 12:56 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 01:11 PM xjay1337 What the Green Party don't seem to realise is ... Jan 24 2012, 02:00 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 24 2012, 02:00 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 02:07 PM xjay1337 There is a speed limit. It's 70.
So Blake it... Jan 24 2012, 02:40 PM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 24 2012, 02:00 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 08:44 PM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 12:56 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 01:19 PM user23 QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 24 2012, 01... Jan 24 2012, 07:09 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 12:56 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 02:02 PM Weavers Walk QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 12:56 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 06:56 PM Blake I am wholeheartedly in favor of a speed limit on t... Jan 24 2012, 02:31 PM Strafin QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 24 2012, 02:31 PM) I a... Jan 24 2012, 05:29 PM dannyboy Time for a variable speed limit. Works on other bu... Jan 24 2012, 04:19 PM Penelope The answer as I'm sure any thinking person (so... Jan 24 2012, 05:02 PM Penelope Man with a red flag, anyway as a biker you should ... Jan 24 2012, 05:20 PM Biker1 QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 07:20 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 05:26 PM oldharry QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 05:20 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 06:29 PM Penelope What part ? Jan 24 2012, 06:51 PM Biker1 QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 08:51 PM) ... Jan 25 2012, 09:36 AM Turin Machine Err of course he does, he also has documentation t... Jan 24 2012, 07:25 PM Rusty Bullet QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 24 2012, 07:25... Jan 24 2012, 07:33 PM user23 QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 24 2012, 07:25... Jan 24 2012, 07:42 PM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 24 2012, 07:42 PM) If... Jan 24 2012, 08:37 PM user23 QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 24 2012, 08... Jan 24 2012, 09:44 PM Strafin I don't want a reduction in speed limit there,... Jan 24 2012, 08:59 PM NWNREADER Sadly, the bare statistics are not that useful in ... Jan 24 2012, 09:05 PM Downlander QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 24 2012, 06:58 PM)... Jan 24 2012, 10:21 PM NWNREADER It is not the speed that kills, just the mode of c... Jan 24 2012, 10:36 PM Turin Machine Very pretty speach adrian, except of course you... Jan 24 2012, 10:42 PM Penelope Adrian, how are you getting on with that Land Rove... Jan 24 2012, 11:18 PM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 24 2012, 11:18 PM) ... Jan 24 2012, 11:34 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Jan 24 2012, 11... Jan 25 2012, 01:47 AM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 25 2012, 01:47 AM) ... Jan 25 2012, 08:10 AM NWNREADER Oh dear - personal website................. Jan 25 2012, 12:21 AM xjay1337 Redesigning sliproad around that area, consider fo... Jan 25 2012, 08:33 AM Adrian Hollister QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 25 2012, 08:33 AM) ... Jan 25 2012, 09:52 AM xjay1337 Variable limits work when there is an actual probl... Jan 25 2012, 10:20 AM dannyboy Variable limits work when there is an actual probl... Jan 25 2012, 12:54 PM Turin Machine IF we are talking vehicles, I have a 7 year old di... Jan 25 2012, 02:16 PM Biker1 I see this stretch of road is now branded as ... Feb 2 2012, 09:14 AM Ron QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 2 2012, 09:14 AM) I s... Feb 2 2012, 09:27 AM JeffG QUOTE (Ron @ Feb 2 2012, 09:27 AM) I trav... Feb 2 2012, 09:55 AM Biker1 QUOTE (JeffG @ Feb 2 2012, 11:55 AM) Oxfo... Feb 2 2012, 10:11 AM xjay1337 QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 2 2012, 09:14 AM) I s... Feb 2 2012, 09:53 AM xjay1337 Via Wantage is not a dual carridgeway though is it... Feb 2 2012, 10:58 AM Biker1 QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 2 2012, 12:58 PM) V... Feb 2 2012, 12:17 PM xjay1337 I made a post and it is gone sorry if it was offen... Feb 3 2012, 10:41 AM JeffG QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 3 2012, 10:41 AM) I... Feb 3 2012, 11:12 AM Turin Machine it doesn't matter if its the most dangerous rd... Feb 2 2012, 05:12 PM NWNREADER What are the causations of all the crashes referre... Feb 2 2012, 09:34 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 2 2012, 09:34 PM) ... Feb 2 2012, 09:52 PM NWNREADER Or even below 50mph.... Or only involving LGVs (w... Feb 2 2012, 10:17 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 2 2012, 10:17 PM) ... Feb 2 2012, 10:41 PM JeffG I shan't be the one to report it myself, but m... Feb 3 2012, 09:56 AM admin Two posts on this thread have been removed for bre... Feb 3 2012, 10:33 AM xjay1337 No problem
Maybe admins could have changed the op... Feb 3 2012, 11:30 AM
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