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Turner painting of Donnington to be auctioned, when is a Turner not a Turner? |
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Dec 14 2011, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Dec 14 2011, 07:51 AM) Are Drewetts claiming that it is by JMWT or is that just an assumption by the NWN and the story allowed to go out unchecked by the auction house to drum up interest? It is Drewwitts that are making the claim: Lot 82: Donnington Castle, Newbury, Berkshire by JMW Turner RAMy evidence comes from the fact that if one performs an Internet search for Turner and Donnington, this picture is almost non-existent. If Turner had painted this, you would get many. This painting might be Turner (Turner of Oxford), but I fear not by Britain's favourite artist, JMW Turner. If it is the famous JMW Turner, then I'm quite excited, as I have not heard of this before. Would NWN relentless news hounds investigate?
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Dec 14 2011, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2011, 09:35 AM) My evidence comes from the fact that if one performs an Internet search for Turner and Donnington, this picture is almost non-existent. If Turner had painted this, you would get many. This painting might be Turner, but I fear not by Britain's favourite artist. It is Drewwitts that are making the claim: Lot 82: Donnington Castle, Newbury, Berkshire by JMW Turner RAMorning all. We have checked (again) the authenticity of the painting with Dreweatts who have confirmed it is an original watercolour by JMW Turner.
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Dec 14 2011, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE (admin @ Dec 14 2011, 09:48 AM) Morning all. We have checked (again) the authenticity of the painting with Dreweatts who have confirmed it is an original watercolour by JMW Turner. It just really surprises me that there is not more on this on the Internet. I still doubt Dreweatts. Havimg said that, it does seem to have 'RA' at the end of the signature and it is meant to have been authenticated by Sotherby's.
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Dec 14 2011, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2011, 10:15 AM) Havimg said that, it does seem to have 'RA' at the end of the signature and it is meant to have been authenticated by Sotherby's. However, The Government Art Collection (link in Simon Kirby's post) styles the Oxford Turner as "W. Turner R.A.". Since the engraving is still in that collection, it makes it more than likely that this is the original JWA Turner. I prefer to believe Dreweatt's than idle speculation (although interesting!).
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Dec 14 2011, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2011, 10:53 AM) However, The Government Art Collection (link in Simon Kirby's post) styles the Oxford Turner as "W. Turner R.A.". Since the engraving is still in that collection, it makes it more than likely that this is the original JWA Turner. I prefer to believe Dreweatt's than idle speculation (although interesting!). Not quite clear what you're saying. Government Art Collection attributes their painting to William Turner (of Oxford) and it says under the painting "Drawn by W. Turner R.A". Wikipedia tells me that William Turner (of Oxford) held his first exhibitionn at the Royal Academy in 1807 - that entitles him to style himslef W. Turner RA doesn't it? The Dreweatts engraving is not actually the same painting, though it's obviously the same scene, so it's plausible (thought confiusing) that it's actually by JMW Turner, but I'd like to know more. Who's JWA Turner?
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Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
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Dec 14 2011, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 14 2011, 11:08 AM) Not quite clear what you're saying. Andy Capp was suggesting in his post (#6) that the 'RA' in the signature implied JMW Turner. I was just pointing out that the Oxford Turner was also styled as RA. QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 14 2011, 11:08 AM) Who's JWA Turner? So I got my initials mixed up
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Dec 14 2011, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2011, 12:43 PM) Andy Capp was suggesting in his post (#6) that the 'RA' in the signature implied JMW Turner. I was just pointing out that the Oxford Turner was also styled as RA. I think, like myself, Simon didn't understand your rationale with "Since the engraving is still in that collection, it makes it more than likely that this is the original JWA Turner."
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Dec 14 2011, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Dec 14 2011, 01:15 PM) Interesting that there is no Castle called Donnington in Shropshire And the one that 'is', looks like our ruin.
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Andy Capp Turner painting of Donnington to be auctioned Dec 14 2011, 03:31 AM Dodgys smarter brother. If that picture is actually the one being sold, th... Dec 14 2011, 07:51 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2011, 10:53 AM) How... Dec 14 2011, 11:08 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 14 2011, 11:08 A... Dec 14 2011, 11:20 AM Simon Kirby Government Art Collection says Andy Capp is right.... Dec 14 2011, 10:00 AM Dodgys smarter brother. There is certainly no mention of Donnington on thi... Dec 14 2011, 12:42 PM NWNREADER Does this help?
Note the comment 'currently u... Dec 14 2011, 01:30 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 14 2011, 01:30 PM)... Dec 14 2011, 01:34 PM Dodgys smarter brother. Except that we know Sothebys had it in 1999. (If i... Dec 14 2011, 01:36 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Dec 14 2011,... Dec 14 2011, 01:37 PM Simon Kirby I'm wondering if JMW Turner painted the origin... Dec 14 2011, 04:16 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 14 2011, 04:16 P... Dec 14 2011, 04:57 PM IanB Interesting speculation.
If there is an error som... Dec 14 2011, 05:42 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (IanB @ Dec 14 2011, 05:42 PM) Inte... Dec 14 2011, 06:05 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (IanB @ Dec 14 2011, 05:42 PM) Inte... Dec 14 2011, 07:53 PM Dodgys smarter brother. There is always the possibility that someone, some... Dec 14 2011, 06:54 PM Dodgys smarter brother. Stand down.
It didn't sell.
That it was a T... Dec 15 2011, 07:26 AM Nothing Much Bit of excitement there.
I thought I would mentio... Dec 15 2011, 12:01 PM Nothing Much Sorry . Silly repeat posting Dec 15 2011, 12:03 PM Simon Kirby I've received a very nice response from the Go... Dec 15 2011, 12:06 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 15 2011, 12:06 P... Dec 15 2011, 12:33 PM Dodgys smarter brother. So all we have to do now is get the picture of the... Dec 15 2011, 01:36 PM
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