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Nov 25 2011, 06:36 PM
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It amazes me that in an age when we are supposed to be caring and compassionate and dare I say it "civilized" and when a government states categorically that the vulnerable will be protected that a council can make cuts that will affect the MOST vulnerable in our society, the old, the sick and the terminally befuddled.
Drastic cuts to meals on wheels, Mencap, Mobility, even for Gods sake when Dave bleats on about the big society and volunteering, the Volunteer office gets a funding cut ! Ironic ? only if you're a politition I guess.
And what response do we get ? bleating about paying a quid to park on a sunday ! I just hope that those among you who will be striking next week in defence of your pensions can tell me how to explain to, lets call her Gladys, who will need to sit on her own in her own filth for eight hours a day because her carer has been withdrawn for "efficiency" reasons how its worth it "c'os you don't matter but my long haul holiday does" ! Please tell me how, if you can.
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Nov 25 2011, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 25 2011, 06:36 PM) It amazes me that in an age when we are supposed to be caring and compassionate and dare I say it "civilized" and when a government states categorically that the vulnerable will be protected that a council can make cuts that will affect the MOST vulnerable in our society, the old, the sick and the terminally befuddled.
Drastic cuts to meals on wheels, Mencap, Mobility, even for Gods sake when Dave bleats on about the big society and volunteering, the Volunteer office gets a funding cut ! Ironic ? only if you're a politition I guess.
And what response do we get ? bleating about paying a quid to park on a sunday ! I just hope that those among you who will be striking next week in defence of your pensions can tell me how to explain to, lets call her Gladys, who will need to sit on her own in her own filth for eight hours a day because her carer has been withdrawn for "efficiency" reasons how its worth it "c'os you don't matter but my long haul holiday does" ! Please tell me how, if you can. What happened to Gladys' family in this scenario?
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Nov 26 2011, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 25 2011, 10:46 PM) What happened to Gladys' family in this scenario? Many do not have a family. What then?
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Nov 26 2011, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Nov 26 2011, 09:28 AM) Many do not have a family. What then? To say many people of this age don't have brothers, sisters, wives, husbands, children, grand children, great grandchildren, cousins or friends they consider family would be untrue.
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Nov 26 2011, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 26 2011, 01:13 PM) To say many people of this age don't have brothers, sisters, wives, husbands, children, grand children, great grandchildren, cousins or friends they consider family would be untrue. I suppose that the use of the word "many" may be your diverting argument but it doesn't alter the fact that there are people in this situation that require support.
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Nov 26 2011, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (Bartholomew @ Nov 26 2011, 01:21 PM) I suppose that the use of the word "many" may be your diverting argument but it doesn't alter the fact that there are people in this situation that require support. You're not wrong there certainly are, however there are many who could be looked after by their family. We have an aging population and if people don't want to pay more tax for someone else to look after their elderly relatives, they're going to have to look after them, themselves. This way those who really have no one to care for them will be able to receive help whilst those for whom it was convenient to be looked after by the state can be cared for by their relatives.
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Nov 26 2011, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 26 2011, 02:01 PM) You're not wrong there certainly are, however there are many who could be looked after by their family.
We have an aging population and if people don't want to pay more tax for someone else to look after their elderly relatives, they're going to have to look after them, themselves.
This way those who really have no one to care for them will be able to receive help whilst those for whom it was convenient to be looked after by the state can be cared for by their relatives. So what you are saying is that I should look after two lotsof people? My relations, which I done until she died 8 weeks ago, and potentially someone elses?
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Nov 26 2011, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE (Ron @ Nov 26 2011, 02:10 PM) So what you are saying is that I should look after two lotsof people? My relations, which I done until she died 8 weeks ago, and potentially someone elses? It's an emotive subject and people understandably have strong views on it. All I'm saying is there's more demand for these services from a growing number of older people and less money coming in to fund them because of relatively lower taxes and other financial constraints, so something has to give. More people looking after their relatives is one option which to me seems to be the best.
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Nov 26 2011, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 26 2011, 02:25 PM) It's an emotive subject and people understandably have strong views on it.
All I'm saying is there's more demand for these services from a growing number of older people and less money coming in to fund them because of relatively lower taxes and other financial constraints, so something has to give.
More people looking after their relatives is one option which to me seems to be the best. Ummm, can quite understand why the electorate feel ripped off. The increase in age could have been anticipated and properly planned for. We were all given to understand that under the state insurance scheme (welfare state in total) we'd be looked after from cradle to grave. No wonder the banks followed suit! So after 60 or so years, we are back to every man for himself and never trust anyone from government; they just want you to fight wars and pay taxes.
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Nov 26 2011, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 26 2011, 02:41 PM) Ummm, can quite understand why the electorate feel ripped off. The increase in age could have been anticipated and properly planned for. We were all given to understand that under the state insurance scheme (welfare state in total) we'd be looked after from cradle to grave. No wonder the banks followed suit! So after 60 or so years, we are back to every man for himself and never trust anyone from government; they just want you to fight wars and pay taxes. Being looked after by one's family isn't "every man for themselves" is it?
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Nov 26 2011, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 26 2011, 02:51 PM) Being looked after by one's family isn't "every man for themselves" is it? Not quite. But it is about authority reneging on a contract? You paid the premuims faithfully all your working life and then when the time comes to make a claim low and behold we have run out of money?
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Nov 26 2011, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Nov 26 2011, 02:59 PM) You paid the premuims faithfully all your working life NI is not personal insurance - you are not "paying premiums" for your own future benefit. You are paying a tax to fund those that need support and pay their pensions now, and when you in turn draw your pension it will be the current working population that is paying NI to fund it. 'Twas ever thus.
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Nov 26 2011, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 26 2011, 04:57 PM) NI is not personal insurance - you are not "paying premiums" for your own future benefit. You are paying a tax to fund those that need support and pay their pensions now, and when you in turn draw your pension it will be the current working population that is paying NI to fund it. 'Twas ever thus. Until now of course according to User there is no money to pay for what Gladys needs now?
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