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Oct 31 2011, 11:49 AM
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Well admin? You've had most of Thursday, all of Friday, (all day Sat and Sun for a few 'off the record' phone calls), it's now Monday lunchtime (almost) Got anything for us?
As mentioned earlier in the thread, how long does it take to answer the question " is it likely that monies taken from Car Parks not maintained, owned, operated or run by SLI could, under certain conditions, make it's way back to SLI's coffers? and that this was agreed by WBC"? We don't need to know the amounts, that's for later. It's a yes / no answer at this stage.
Or can we go back to discussing this now, since we wouldn't want Newburytoday to be seen as an arm of the Council would we?
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Oct 31 2011, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Oct 31 2011, 11:49 AM) Well admin? You've had most of Thursday, all of Friday, (all day Sat and Sun for a few 'off the record' phone calls), it's now Monday lunchtime (almost) Got anything for us?
As mentioned earlier in the thread, how long does it take to answer the question " is it likely that monies taken from Car Parks not maintained, owned, operated or run by SLI could, under certain conditions, make it's way back to SLI's coffers? and that this was agreed by WBC"? We don't need to know the amounts, that's for later. It's a yes / no answer at this stage.
Or can we go back to discussing this now, since we wouldn't want Newburytoday to be seen as an arm of the Council would we? Sorry, we have been waiting for some figures which are as yet not forthcoming from WBC, but the deal between SLI and WBC which states that proceeds over a certain amount (based on parking income from ticket sales from town centre car parks not including Kennet Centre in 2007/8) is in place and has been confirmed to us by WBC. We will keep you updated as soon as we get the monetary value of the agreement which we have asked for several times.
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Oct 31 2011, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (admin @ Oct 31 2011, 11:59 AM) Sorry, we have been waiting for some figures which are as yet not forthcoming from WBC, but the deal between SLI and WBC which states that proceeds over a certain amount (based on parking income from ticket sales from town centre car parks not including Kennet Centre in 2007/8) is in place and has been confirmed to us by WBC. We will keep you updated as soon as we get the monetary value of the agreement which we have asked for several times. Well it's confirmed then. West Berkshire Council are giving away money to SLI. Let's say it's £850,000 a year, that's £850,000 worth of additional cuts in next years budget that will now need to be found. Whatever they give away, the amount will be too much. That money should be going towards fixing potholes or road safety schemes etc. NOT LINING THE POCKETS OF SLI.
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Oct 31 2011, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 31 2011, 02:11 PM) Well it's confirmed then. West Berkshire Council are giving away money to SLI. Let's say it's £850,000 a year, that's £850,000 worth of additional cuts in next years budget that will now need to be found. Whatever they give away, the amount will be too much. That money should be going towards fixing potholes or road safety schemes etc. NOT LINING THE POCKETS OF SLI. How did you arrive at £850,000.00? You should be careful before you start banding figures about.
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Oct 31 2011, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 31 2011, 02:43 PM) How did you arrive at £850,000.00? You should be careful before you start banding figures about. £850,000 is approximately 50% of WBC car parking revenue over £300k. However, it is too high as it includes parks that are not in the SLI deal - certainly the Kennet Centre park and probably parking fines and parks in places like Hungerford and Pangbourne. I suspect the true figure will be more like £500k passing from WBC to SLI (perhaps lower if the WBC parks lose customers to Parkway). It could be lower still if WBC go ahead with their plans to redevelop several of their car parks. On the other hand I assume that WBC will get from SLI half the revenue from the Parkway car park - whatever that might be (£300k perhaps). Either way I doubt it will result in a nett win for WBC - whereas the deal they were happy for us to believe was in place (it has been mentioned often enough without them correcting our delusion) was that SLI would pay WBC £300k a year from the Parkway car park takings (in essence compensating WBC and, ultimately, we taxpayers for the ludicrously low price of £1 they paid for a large portion of the land under Parkway). So we will not be getting £300k a year from SLI as anticipated, rather we will probably be handing over a nett £100-200k. As a taxpayer I feel robbed. If WBC had been clear about the deal in 2008 they wouldn't be facing this PR nightmare now - but they evidently thought they could keep it hidden forever or that, if it came out at the time, the public outcry would scupper the deal with SLI. Either way it is, in my opinion, a despicable act of cowardice that they have not been open about the costs to the taxpayer of subsidising Parkway.
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Oct 31 2011, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 31 2011, 03:31 PM) £850,000 is approximately 50% of WBC car parking revenue over £300k.
However, it is too high as it includes parks that are not in the SLI deal - certainly the Kennet Centre park and probably parking fines and parks in places like Hungerford and Pangbourne. I suspect the true figure will be more like £500k passing from WBC to SLI (perhaps lower if the WBC parks lose customers to Parkway). It could be lower still if WBC go ahead with their plans to redevelop several of their car parks. On the other hand I assume that WBC will get from SLI half the revenue from the Parkway car park - whatever that might be (£300k perhaps). Either way I doubt it will result in a nett win for WBC - whereas the deal they were happy for us to believe was in place (it has been mentioned often enough without them correcting our delusion) was that SLI would pay WBC £300k a year from the Parkway car park takings (in essence compensating WBC and, ultimately, we taxpayers for the ludicrously low price of £1 they paid for a large portion of the land under Parkway).
So we will not be getting £300k a year from SLI as anticipated, rather we will probably be handing over a nett £100-200k. As a taxpayer I feel robbed.
If WBC had been clear about the deal in 2008 they wouldn't be facing this PR nightmare now - but they evidently thought they could keep it hidden forever or that, if it came out at the time, the public outcry would scupper the deal with SLI. Either way it is, in my opinion, a despicable act of cowardice that they have not been open about the costs to the taxpayer of subsidising Parkway. Are you sure that it does not apply to all car parks in the WBC area? I know the Kennet Centre is supposed to be excluded but no mention of any other exclusions? I do believe WBC would be so incompetent as to do a deal like this that it would not surprise me any more!
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