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Congestion at Thatcham Station, Traffic survey approved but no bridge will be built |
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Oct 29 2011, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 28 2011, 05:21 PM) Well XJ even the railway company admit that the crossing sensors were cheap and take no account of the speed, or breaking distance of the train. So, simply to cope with the odd few very fast trains, hundreds of people are inconvenienced whilst the clapped out old junk running the local services limp along the line. Not getting into that one again OTE! You have your opinion - live with it! P.S. The trains, although being in a poor state in your opinion, don't usually break. They do often brake though! QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 28 2011, 05:21 PM) NB - not really surprised that FGW don't want to slow these things down; it takes them so long to get any speed up at all. Network Rail control the crossing - not FGW. It is manually controlled from the signal box at Colthrop. The raising of the barriers IS automatic and happens AS SOON AS the line is clear.
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Oct 29 2011, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 29 2011, 10:02 AM) It is manually controlled from the signal box at Colthrop. The raising of the barriers IS automatic and happens AS SOON AS the line is clear. Soon to be transferred to the Didcot Control Centre, which will result in slightly longer durations of the barriers being down as it will be automatic.
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Oct 29 2011, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2011, 12:29 PM) Soon to be transferred to the Didcot Control Centre, which will result in slightly longer durations of the barriers being down as it will be automatic. Nope, will still be manually controlled but yes, as you say, from Didcot.
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Oct 29 2011, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 29 2011, 01:11 PM) Nope, will still be manually controlled but yes, as you say, from Didcot. What a shame - yet more missed opportunity. I thought we were supposed to be investing in modernising the railway. When this line was built, it was designed for steam trains travelling at 50mph max. On the roads, horses and carts. since then, the roads have been metalled, straightened and made much safer for higher speed traffic. What's happened on the railway? Very little. Where there are significant dangers such as level crossings, why should rail speeds not be restricted? Yes, would hold up a few rail passengers a few minutes - so what? Note, dear Biker1, how about getting Didcot to sponsor saving one of the Turbo trains? Would be one less we'd have to put up with and they could do with a new lavatory.
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Oct 30 2011, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 29 2011, 07:29 PM) Where there are significant dangers such as level crossings, why should rail speeds not be restricted? Yes, would hold up a few rail passengers a few minutes - so what? One minute you are complaining about "the clapped out old junk running the local services limp along the line" and then in this post you are suggesting that trains are slowed down to reduce inconvenience to road users! Are you suggesting that this is imposed at the 7000 level crossings in Britain or just make Thatcham a special case? P.S. How slowing down trains reduces the waiting time at level crossings is a mystery to me.
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Oct 30 2011, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 30 2011, 11:39 AM) .....How slowing down trains reduces the waiting time at level crossings is a mystery to me. Well you are always claiming that trains need a massive distance to stop - presumably, less fast, less distance. Or is that another example of where the railways have bent the laws of physics to satisfy commercial ends? Why not slow the whole railway? Or is the alternative of finding a better way to stop trains too hard to even consider. We can get a man on the moon these days you know! The speed of the train has nothing to do with the comfort on board. The 'Turbo' trains were apparently designed using bus technology. I would love to meet the designer / manager / technocrat who actually thought that the passenger accommodation was anywhere suitable. Or indeed, the people who believe that it is still acceptable in customer service terms to keep these design errors in operation. Frankly, the mindsets that do are clearly troubled! I wonder how they travel to work or indeed how they live at home? Painful though it may be, this is again evidence that the 'age of the train' is well passed its sell by date.
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Oct 30 2011, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 30 2011, 04:12 PM) Well you are always claiming that trains need a massive distance to stop - presumably, less fast, less distance. Or is that another example of where the railways have bent the laws of physics to satisfy commercial ends? I'd guess a train takes longer to stop than a car because the coefficient of friction factor is so different. I do, however, doubt the necessity to close the barrier as soon as a train leaves Newbury Station (and I know that does happen through the wonders of mobile phone technology...) Why not slow the whole railway? Or is the alternative of finding a better way to stop trains too hard to even consider. Hi-grip wheels/rails? Interesting, but doubt the practicalityWe can get a man on the moon these days you know! Not for the last 39 years......
The speed of the train has nothing to do with the comfort on board. That is not a completely correct statement
The 'Turbo' trains were apparently designed using bus technology. I would love to meet the designer / manager / technocrat who actually thought that the passenger accommodation was anywhere suitable. Or indeed, the people who believe that it is still acceptable in customer service terms to keep these design errors in operation. Frankly, the mindsets that do are clearly troubled! I wonder how they travel to work or indeed how they live at home? Apart from the way the passengers conduct themselves, the trains are broadly comparable to other services in Europe. As for the design, if the current one is so poor why not contact FGW etc and propose an improvement? No problem with being unhappy with what is provided, but please have an alternative to offer.
Painful though it may be, this is again evidence that the 'age of the train' is well passed its sell by date. The problem is the lack of investment in train services and rail usage. Mr Beeching did what he was told when the car was to be the mode of transport, leaving nothing to work with when a rail network was recognised as being an element of a national transport infrastructure.
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Oct 30 2011, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 30 2011, 04:33 PM) So one shouldn't complain if they don't have a solution? That is not what I said: No problem with being unhappy with what is provided, but please have an alternative to offer.Sweeping generalisation about what is wrong doesn't enable even a willing service provider to deliver a solution that addresses the problem.... Say what is wrong, even better, offer a solution. Not necessarily to Blueprint standard, but set out 'the problem'. The seats are uncomfortable? Not enough luggage space? Not enough legroom? Not enough seats?
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Richard Garvie Congestion at Thatcham Station Oct 27 2011, 03:32 PM xjay1337 What's the point of doing a survey if they won... Oct 27 2011, 04:03 PM Turin Machine Ok, what would you do about the problem, go on, en... Oct 27 2011, 04:07 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 27 2011, 05:07... Oct 27 2011, 04:15 PM Turin Machine where ? how ? Oct 27 2011, 04:30 PM betsy Across the line at Thatcham Station of course... Oct 27 2011, 04:47 PM Richard Garvie What the officers told me:
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