Bollards Options

[Blake]

Has someone hit the bollards in the town center again?

How many times has it been now. Seems to happen almost twice a month.

[GreenGerkin]

Hi,

I have been reading in the NWN about how many people are being caught out by the bollards, and that they are damaging their cars, etc. and they should be removed. I would just like to stand up for the councils decisions to put these bollards there. They stop traffic coming through the town, it was a major problem, and extremely dangerous, to all pedestrians, especially children.

Now back to the people ramming the bollards...
Right, when someone hits the bollards they say that there is not enough signage. I had a look as I walked past the other day. Coming from Bartholomew Street there are 6, yes SIX sogns saying either danger rising bollards or no entry to the town centre for cars. Seriously how do you miss this many signs?????? If you are on the road but cannot read signs you really should retake your driving exam, I'd put money on it that you would fail.

In my opinion, if you choose to wreck your vehicle on the bollards there should be some sort of fine for this. I would go for a fixed penalty fine for hitting the bollards, then a fine for criminal damage of the bollards, and then a bill for the cost of fixing them.
If this would put in place, I could almost guarentee that the number of people criminally damaging the councils property with their cars, because they couldn't be bothered to add an extra 3 minutes to their journey would be cut majorly.

Rant over for the time being....

Thanks

[On the edge]

Hi,

I have been reading in the NWN about how many people are being caught out by the bollards, and that they are damaging their cars, etc. and they should be removed. I would just like to stand up for the councils decisions to put these bollards there. They stop traffic coming through the town, it was a major problem, and extremely dangerous, to all pedestrians, especially children.

Now back to the people ramming the bollards...
Right, when someone hits the bollards they say that there is not enough signage. I had a look as I walked past the other day. Coming from Bartholomew Street there are 6, yes SIX sogns saying either danger rising bollards or no entry to the town centre for cars. Seriously how do you miss this many signs?????? If you are on the road but cannot read signs you really should retake your driving exam, I'd put money on it that you would fail.

In my opinion, if you choose to wreck your vehicle on the bollards there should be some sort of fine for this. I would go for a fixed penalty fine for hitting the bollards, then a fine for criminal damage of the bollards, and then a bill for the cost of fixing them.
If this would put in place, I could almost guarentee that the number of people criminally damaging the councils property with their cars, because they couldn't be bothered to add an extra 3 minutes to their journey would be cut majorly.

Rant over for the time being....

Thanks

Forgive me, but I think you've missed the point. First, it seems most of those involved are visitors; so not people simply trying to save a few minutes. Second, there are rather a lot of other dangers to pedestrians, especially children. Sorry, Bus, Taxi, Post Office, Securicor, and all the other 'permitted drivers' are by no means perfect. Third, it may well be council property which against the rules they apply so properly to everyone else should have been installed against the Department of Transport's best practice guidelines. And if you want to know how someone could miss so many signs - simply observe; see how many of us break the speed limits, use mobile phones, go through red lights, parked improperly...presumably things you've never ever done!

[GreenGerkin]

Forgive me, but I think you've missed the point. First, it seems most of those involved are visitors; so not people simply trying to save a few minutes. Second, there are rather a lot of other dangers to pedestrians, especially children. Sorry, Bus, Taxi, Post Office, Securicor, and all the other 'permitted drivers' are by no means perfect. Third, it may well be council property which against the rules they apply so properly to everyone else should have been installed against the Department of Transport's best practice guidelines. And if you want to know how someone could miss so many signs - simply observe; see how many of us break the speed limits, use mobile phones, go through red lights, parked improperly...presumably things you've never ever done!

Yes i understand that the other vehicles go through, but there is such a low number of these vehicles that the danger is greatly reduced, what more dangerous, 10 vehicles or 100? and i must say that it was so much better when no vehicles were able to go through due to the building work.
Also when driving in a place that you do not know well, surely you pay attention to the signs? Is this not common sense? Seemingly not. Also you say that they were installed against some guidlines, which is correct and fair to say, but think about all of the other towns who have them as well, so it is not just WB Council. Also how long have they been in place, years, about 2 now is it, I can't remember, maybe more.
Using mobile phones doesn't have anything to do with signs, also your argument about people jumping lights, also counters the arguments about having traffic lights there as people will ignore them...