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May 25 2009, 10:14 AM
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Hi,
I have been reading in the NWN about how many people are being caught out by the bollards, and that they are damaging their cars, etc. and they should be removed. I would just like to stand up for the councils decisions to put these bollards there. They stop traffic coming through the town, it was a major problem, and extremely dangerous, to all pedestrians, especially children.
Now back to the people ramming the bollards... Right, when someone hits the bollards they say that there is not enough signage. I had a look as I walked past the other day. Coming from Bartholomew Street there are 6, yes SIX sogns saying either danger rising bollards or no entry to the town centre for cars. Seriously how do you miss this many signs?????? If you are on the road but cannot read signs you really should retake your driving exam, I'd put money on it that you would fail.
In my opinion, if you choose to wreck your vehicle on the bollards there should be some sort of fine for this. I would go for a fixed penalty fine for hitting the bollards, then a fine for criminal damage of the bollards, and then a bill for the cost of fixing them. If this would put in place, I could almost guarentee that the number of people criminally damaging the councils property with their cars, because they couldn't be bothered to add an extra 3 minutes to their journey would be cut majorly.
Rant over for the time being....
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May 25 2009, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (GreenGerkin @ May 25 2009, 11:14 AM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Hi,
I have been reading in the NWN about how many people are being caught out by the bollards, and that they are damaging their cars, etc. and they should be removed. I would just like to stand up for the councils decisions to put these bollards there. They stop traffic coming through the town, it was a major problem, and extremely dangerous, to all pedestrians, especially children.
Now back to the people ramming the bollards... Right, when someone hits the bollards they say that there is not enough signage. I had a look as I walked past the other day. Coming from Bartholomew Street there are 6, yes SIX sogns saying either danger rising bollards or no entry to the town centre for cars. Seriously how do you miss this many signs?????? If you are on the road but cannot read signs you really should retake your driving exam, I'd put money on it that you would fail.
In my opinion, if you choose to wreck your vehicle on the bollards there should be some sort of fine for this. I would go for a fixed penalty fine for hitting the bollards, then a fine for criminal damage of the bollards, and then a bill for the cost of fixing them. If this would put in place, I could almost guarentee that the number of people criminally damaging the councils property with their cars, because they couldn't be bothered to add an extra 3 minutes to their journey would be cut majorly.
Rant over for the time being....
Thanks Forgive me, but I think you've missed the point. First, it seems most of those involved are visitors; so not people simply trying to save a few minutes. Second, there are rather a lot of other dangers to pedestrians, especially children. Sorry, Bus, Taxi, Post Office, Securicor, and all the other 'permitted drivers' are by no means perfect. Third, it may well be council property which against the rules they apply so properly to everyone else should have been installed against the Department of Transport's best practice guidelines. And if you want to know how someone could miss so many signs - simply observe; see how many of us break the speed limits, use mobile phones, go through red lights, parked improperly...presumably things you've never ever done!
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May 26 2009, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 25 2009, 10:30 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Forgive me, but I think you've missed the point. First, it seems most of those involved are visitors; so not people simply trying to save a few minutes. Second, there are rather a lot of other dangers to pedestrians, especially children. Sorry, Bus, Taxi, Post Office, Securicor, and all the other 'permitted drivers' are by no means perfect. Third, it may well be council property which against the rules they apply so properly to everyone else should have been installed against the Department of Transport's best practice guidelines. And if you want to know how someone could miss so many signs - simply observe; see how many of us break the speed limits, use mobile phones, go through red lights, parked improperly...presumably things you've never ever done! Yes i understand that the other vehicles go through, but there is such a low number of these vehicles that the danger is greatly reduced, what more dangerous, 10 vehicles or 100? and i must say that it was so much better when no vehicles were able to go through due to the building work. Also when driving in a place that you do not know well, surely you pay attention to the signs? Is this not common sense? Seemingly not. Also you say that they were installed against some guidlines, which is correct and fair to say, but think about all of the other towns who have them as well, so it is not just WB Council. Also how long have they been in place, years, about 2 now is it, I can't remember, maybe more. Using mobile phones doesn't have anything to do with signs, also your argument about people jumping lights, also counters the arguments about having traffic lights there as people will ignore them...
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You've seen people successfully foll... May 19 2009, 11:10 AM Simon Bottom line is that if drivers are not paying atte... May 19 2009, 11:40 AM Wicca I agree with Simon, there are plenty of signs arou... May 19 2009, 11:55 AM GMR People complain that the signs are too high. Maybe... May 19 2009, 12:16 PM Iommi While the majority of drivers do not hit the bolla... May 19 2009, 03:20 PM Simon Other towns have bollards, and Im sure they have a... May 19 2009, 03:53 PM Twenty Something I agree with the above. It is a case of being care... May 19 2009, 04:15 PM J C Manchester for example have installed CCTV and you... May 19 2009, 04:39 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Gumbo QUOTE (J C @ May 19 2009, 05:39 PM) Manch... May 22 2009, 08:50 AM Iommi Of course, in law, it is only the drivers fault. ... May 19 2009, 05:48 PM GMR I was talking to someone in town and they said the... May 19 2009, 08:30 PM GrumblingAgain Agreeing with Simon and Twenty Something.
I am su... May 19 2009, 09:23 PM Blake I have no sympathy with anyone who drives onto the... May 20 2009, 11:03 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Gumbo QUOTE (Blake @ May 20 2009, 12:03 PM) I h... May 20 2009, 11:33 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GrumblingAgain QUOTE (Gumbo @ May 20 2009, 12:33 PM) Con... May 23 2009, 08:10 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GMR QUOTE (Blake @ May 20 2009, 12:03 PM) I h... May 20 2009, 05:58 PM Andy I too have no real sympathy for drivers who cannot... May 20 2009, 12:34 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) IanB QUOTE (Andy @ May 20 2009, 01:34 PM) I to... May 21 2009, 12:09 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GMR QUOTE (IanB @ May 21 2009, 01:09 PM) They... May 21 2009, 07:06 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) TallDarkAndHandsome I have a suggestion.
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Could the buses and t... May 22 2009, 10:27 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GMR QUOTE (Simon @ May 22 2009, 11:27 AM) Als... May 22 2009, 08:16 PM Andrea QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 22 2009, 11... May 22 2009, 10:46 AM Bill1 QUOTE (Simon @ May 22 2009, 11:27 AM) Als... May 22 2009, 11:19 AM Lord&Master QUOTE (Never Again! @ May 21 2009, 06... May 22 2009, 01:08 PM Bill1 There was another near miss this lunchtime, luckil... May 22 2009, 01:40 PM Blake It's not just going on in Newbury, look at the... May 22 2009, 03:42 PM Hugh Saskin Could not open the attachment, probably just as we... May 22 2009, 07:01 PM Richard Head QUOTE (Blake @ May 22 2009, 04:42 PM) I h... May 22 2009, 07:07 PM On the edge Not withstanding all the arguments; standard stati... May 23 2009, 06:49 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Never Again! QUOTE (On the edge @ May 23 2009, 07:49 A... May 24 2009, 08:12 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Jacklets QUOTE (On the edge @ May 23 2009, 07:49 A... May 26 2009, 12:45 PM T Flood QUOTE (Blake @ May 19 2009, 09:47 AM) Has... May 25 2009, 08:32 AM T Flood why cant we place traffic lights in front of these... May 25 2009, 08:38 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GMR QUOTE (T Flood @ May 25 2009, 09:38 AM) w... May 26 2009, 05:45 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) IanB In my opinion, if you choose to wreck your vehicle... May 26 2009, 12:03 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Never Again! QUOTE (GreenGerkin @ May 25 2009, 11:14 A... May 27 2009, 09:53 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Road User QUOTE (Never Again! @ May 27 2009, 10... May 27 2009, 11:52 AM Biker1 Does anyone remember how many motorists used to fl... May 26 2009, 02:34 PM Blake I wholeheartedly agree with GreenGerkin; if you ar... May 26 2009, 04:32 PM GreenGerkin just to let you know, at the end of the bus lane, ... May 27 2009, 12:35 PM GreenGerkin i have also seen is happen 4 times as i walked pas... May 27 2009, 12:37 PM Andy QUOTE (Never Again! @ May 27 2009, 10... May 27 2009, 01:07 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Never Again! QUOTE (Andy @ May 27 2009, 02:07 PM) To b... May 27 2009, 07:25 PM Blake I agree. Poor driving is poor driving and there is... May 27 2009, 01:48 PM Iommi From my point of view, the driver is legally respo... May 27 2009, 02:52 PM thatcham resident Yes i too have seen that there is a dropped curb,s... May 27 2009, 03:23 PM thatcham resident Yes i too have seen the dropped curb in the bus an... May 27 2009, 03:49 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Apathetic QUOTE (thatcham resident @ May 27 2009, 04... May 27 2009, 05:52 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) funinuk Another hit today, this time a Gas company van, I ... May 27 2009, 08:33 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) thatcham resident QUOTE (thatcham resident @ May 27 2009, 04... May 28 2009, 11:59 AM Darren While in town today I took a walk through Bartholo... May 27 2009, 08:53 PM Blake Which bollards hit the British Gas van? Was it the... May 28 2009, 08:24 AM J C I would like to see CCTV installed so that there c... May 28 2009, 09:11 AM Andy QUOTE (Never Again! @ May 27 2009, 08... May 28 2009, 09:19 AM Darren You could always instruct a No win/No fee Solictor... May 28 2009, 11:18 AM AmieB I have been defending neveragain, but today i had ... May 28 2009, 01:34 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GrumblingAgain QUOTE (AmieB @ May 28 2009, 02:34 PM) I w... May 28 2009, 04:23 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) AmieB QUOTE (GrumblingAgain @ May 28 2009, 05:2... May 29 2009, 09:17 AM J C IMO barriers would not solve the problem either as... May 28 2009, 03:30 PM Richard Head QUOTE (Andy @ May 28 2009, 10:19 AM) So, ... May 28 2009, 07:39 PM Anon I must say I am a true supporter of these bollards... May 29 2009, 09:24 AM Andrea QUOTE (J C @ May 28 2009, 04:30 PM) IMO b... May 29 2009, 10:11 AM Iommi QUOTE (Anon @ May 29 2009, 10:24 AM) I mu... May 29 2009, 10:56 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Apathetic QUOTE (Iommi @ May 29 2009, 11:56 AM) The... May 29 2009, 12:15 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Anon QUOTE (Iommi @ May 29 2009, 11:56 AM) The... May 29 2009, 12:53 PM Iommi QUOTE (Anon @ May 29 2009, 01:53 PM) they... May 29 2009, 01:34 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Anon QUOTE (Iommi @ May 29 2009, 02:34 PM) The... May 29 2009, 02:44 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Gumbo QUOTE (Anon @ May 29 2009, 03:44 PM) Mone... Jun 1 2009, 08:19 AM Iommi QUOTE (Anon @ May 29 2009, 03:44 PM) Mone... May 29 2009, 06:19 PM Blake I heard yet another dodgy driver chanced their luc... May 31 2009, 04:55 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) peach QUOTE (Blake @ May 31 2009, 05:55 PM) I h... Jun 1 2009, 08:58 AM
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