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Feb 22 2011, 12:07 PM
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The Town Council have issued a press-release about my dispute with them. I would be grateful if you would read it and comment.
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Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
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Feb 22 2011, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 01:38 PM) If there was a grass roots (ho ho) campaign of allotment holders for self management, regardless of the 'savings' to be made I'd be all in favour of handing over the running of the allotments.
There isn't. And there never will be if we allow campaigners to be evicted from their plots and publicly besmirched. Now, I'm off to Market Place after Friday prayers to topple the regime.
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Feb 22 2011, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 22 2011, 01:53 PM) And there never will be if we allow campaigners to be evicted from their plots and publicly besmirched.
Now, I'm off to Market Place after Friday prayers to topple the regime. Then the rest of the 524 allotment holders must be very happy.
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Feb 22 2011, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 01:57 PM) Then the rest of the 524 allotment holders must be very happy. they are
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Feb 22 2011, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 01:58 PM) they are and a lot of them will be happier when he goes
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Feb 22 2011, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 02:01 PM) and a lot of them will be happier when he goes How do you know all this? Have you evidence?
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Feb 22 2011, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:05 PM) How do you know all this? Have you evidence? Just go round some allotments and ask people what they think of him. then you will know
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Feb 22 2011, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 02:07 PM) Just go round some allotments and ask people what they think of him. then you will know I think it would interest the Forum if you were to name the chief instigator of this malignancy and detail the campaign against me, and you might also like to declare your own interest.
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Feb 22 2011, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 04:47 PM) I think it would interest the Forum if you were to name the chief instigator of this malignancy and detail the campaign against me, and you might also like to declare your own interest. Maybe a bit OTT. You have been expansive on your work with the Wash Common site, but NTC would not want a split system. Even if 100% of Wash Common plot holders wanted to run their own scheme NTC would have to retain the infrastructure - at a greater cost per plot - for the remainder. Clearly NTC are not minded to conduct any investigation of interest. Unless you can demonstrate that a good majority of all plot holders want a change then the democratic process would suggest you should not continue to press for self-management. You may have a case regarding the fees issue (not the fee itself, but the process for deciding and promulgating). If you eat the elephant slice by slice eventually you might get there. You are trying to swallow it whole. I think you should have continued to pay the rent at the rate it was prior to your objection, but What I know about the Law of Property could be written in the same space as RGs 'What I like about WBC list'
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Feb 22 2011, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 05:13 PM) You have been expansive on your work with the Wash Common site, but NTC would not want a split system. Even if 100% of Wash Common plot holders wanted to run their own scheme NTC would have to retain the infrastructure - at a greater cost per plot - for the remainder. Clearly NTC are not minded to conduct any investigation of interest. Unless you can demonstrate that a good majority of all plot holders want a change then the democratic process would suggest you should not continue to press for self-management. The issue here it not whether self-management is the right thing, but whether I should be evicted for demanding it. Ask yourself - what would David Cameron do? QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 05:13 PM) You may have a case regarding the fees issue (not the fee itself, but the process for deciding and promulgating). If you eat the elephant slice by slice eventually you might get there. You are trying to swallow it whole.
I think you should have continued to pay the rent at the rate it was prior to your objection, but What I know about the Law of Property could be written in the same space as RGs 'What I like about WBC list' What's the elephant thing? I have indeed paid the rent at the pre-objection rate.
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Feb 22 2011, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 05:45 PM) The issue here it not whether self-management is the right thing, but whether I should be evicted for demanding it. I suspect you are being evicted for non-payment of rent, in legal terms, even if you believe there is a hidden agenda. You should get in writing the grounds for eviction.
What's the elephant thing? You have taken on a multi-faceted task and are trying to do it all at once. Deal with the elements one at a time so you stay focused and the issue of the day does not get lost in all manner of side/supplementary/other issues you are champing at the bit to raise.
I have indeed paid the rent at the pre-objection rate. I would like to think a Court would agree that eviction while in dispute is a bit heavy handed. Have you ever told the Council you are happy to pay the full amount if you are found against, or acccept you had no case? Keep your head on straight and do not get emotional. Ask simple and direct questions: Please tell me the grounds on which I am being evicted What is the NTC definition of a vexatious complainant and what is the adopted policy for dealing with such a person When was the definition and policy adopted. Be a Shaolin, not Gen Patton.
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Feb 22 2011, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 06:24 PM) Keep your head on straight and do not get emotional. Ask simple and direct questions: Please tell me the grounds on which I am being evicted What is the NTC definition of a vexatious complainant and what is the adopted policy for dealing with such a person When was the definition and policy adopted.
Be a Shaolin, not Gen Patton. And you still expect them to answer??? Local authorities don't do answers; or at least not what the average person can understand.
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Feb 22 2011, 01:20 PM panda looks like simon has one or two people sucked into... Feb 22 2011, 01:35 PM panda QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 22 2011, 01:53 PM) And... Feb 22 2011, 01:57 PM Rosewinelover QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 02:07 PM) Jus... Feb 22 2011, 02:09 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:09... Feb 22 2011, 02:14 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 06:24 PM)... Feb 22 2011, 06:59 PM panda QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 04:47 P... Feb 22 2011, 05:16 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:05... Feb 22 2011, 02:08 PM Rosewinelover QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 02:08 PM) ... Feb 22 2011, 02:12 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:12... Feb 22 2011, 02:13 PM massifheed Well, whatever happens, they appear to have given ... Feb 22 2011, 01:59 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (massifheed @ Feb 22 2011, 01:59 PM... Feb 22 2011, 04:43 PM Darren QUOTE The individual continues to be classified as... Feb 22 2011, 02:17 PM NWNREADER I know a 'Vexatious Litigant' is someone w... Feb 22 2011, 03:07 PM Strafin It strikes me that this statement shows that Simon... Feb 22 2011, 05:15 PM ebalch I don't have any involvement in the dispute or... Feb 22 2011, 05:26 PM Cognosco QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 12:07 P... Feb 22 2011, 05:44 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Cognosco @ Feb 22 2011, 05:44 PM) ... Feb 22 2011, 05:53 PM panda QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 05:53 P... Feb 22 2011, 08:42 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 08:42 PM) why... Feb 22 2011, 08:45 PM panda QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 08:45 PM)... Feb 22 2011, 09:07 PM panda QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 08:42 PM) why... Feb 22 2011, 10:02 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 10:02 PM) sti... Feb 22 2011, 10:16 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 10:02 PM) sti... Feb 22 2011, 10:34 PM panda QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 10:34 P... Feb 22 2011, 10:38 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 10:38 PM) whi... 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Feb 22 2011, 07:04 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:04 PM) ... Feb 22 2011, 07:10 PM dannyboy QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 07:10 PM)... Feb 22 2011, 07:15 PM dannyboy You need to get more support then at grass roots. ... Feb 22 2011, 07:24 PM Andy Capp Or at very least it should be debated in some form... Feb 22 2011, 08:22 PM Iommi Perhaps we need some old and frail people on allot... Feb 22 2011, 08:23 PM Simon Kirby My friend has mailed this, I thought you might be ... Feb 22 2011, 09:09 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 09:09 P... Feb 22 2011, 09:39 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 09:39 PM)... Feb 22 2011, 10:23 PM Biker1 I know you can put people on "ignore" - ... Feb 22 2011, 10:36 PM Iommi QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2011, 10:36 PM) I ... Feb 22 2011, 10:42 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (Iommi @ Feb 22 2011, 10:42 PM) cap... Feb 22 2011, 10:48 PM Iommi Lookout, the resident clown's about! Feb 22 2011, 10:45 PM Bofem Back to the original point
Simon's shoddy tr... Feb 23 2011, 12:10 AM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 23 2011, 12:10 AM) Bac... Feb 23 2011, 08:24 AM dannyboy QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 23 2011, 08:24 A... Feb 23 2011, 10:31 AM dannyboy Anarchy! Feb 23 2011, 12:10 AM panda maybe you should all get out more Feb 23 2011, 12:14 AM Andy Capp QUOTE (panda @ Feb 23 2011, 12:14 AM) may... Feb 23 2011, 12:43 AM Rosewinelover QUOTE (panda @ Feb 23 2011, 12:14 AM) may... Feb 23 2011, 10:13 AM panda QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 23 2011, 10:13... Feb 23 2011, 12:10 PM Bloggo QUOTE (panda @ Feb 23 2011, 12:10 PM) I w... Feb 23 2011, 12:32 PM the bloke on the street well, I've tried to add 2 posts to this thread... Feb 23 2011, 10:36 AM dannyboy QUOTE (the bloke on the street @ Feb 23 2011,... Feb 23 2011, 10:39 AM the bloke on the street I have enquired of NTC whether they would consider... Feb 23 2011, 10:39 AM Richard Garvie NTC say they would consider it, but a fully costed... Feb 23 2011, 11:06 AM dannyboy and there would also have to be support from the a... Feb 23 2011, 11:17 AM
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