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Richard Garvie
post Jan 9 2011, 12:16 PM
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I just wanted to ask if any of those who support the mayor system would like to help with a petition? This is not a party political petition, as far as I know two other political parties have requested information about forcing a referendum. Hundreds of people have already signed up, and the target date for submission is early February. I am personally planning to do Hungerford this Saturday with some colleagues, and Newbury on Friday and Saturday evening. There will be people in Newbury on Saturday daytime too.

The purpose of this petition is not because it's neccessarily my view or anyone in the Labour Party locally. We have decided to carry out this petition after the current administration refused to carry out a proper consultation on the leadership models available to the council. In correspondance with the leader of the council, I requested that the leadership decision be delayed so that a proper consultation could be carried out. I was told to "include it in my manifesto if it is something I care about". This shouldn't be about what I think, or what Graham Jones believes. There is a lot of support for the mayor option and it's only right that the general public should be allowed to have their views heard.

I would like to think all parties will be supportive of staging this referendum, especially the Lib Dems who are supposedly all for proportional representation. An elected mayor system would mean that the leader of the council would be elected by a large percentage of the district rather than 800 votes in one ward. The directly elected leader would also be accountable for when things go wrong, unlike at present when nobody seems to be accountable. Do you think Graham Jones would have closed the Ormonde Centre and Hillcroft House if he was accountable to the whole district? No, I don't think so either.

If you are available to assist with the petition, my mobile number is 07593 278690 or you can email richard.garvie@googlemail.com
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Richard Garvie
post Jan 9 2011, 03:09 PM
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Electing a mayor would ensure more transparency and more accountability. Once again, any cost implications must lay at the door of Cllr Graham Jones, who with his party fudged the consultation on the leadership options. If the consultation had been open and honest, and the council went with Strong Leader, there would be no argument. The fact is they railroaded through what they wanted, reegardless of public opinion.

A Mayor leadership option would not favour any one political party. The reason for doing it is to improve democracy, and is something all political parties should be looking to achive regardless of what model is used.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:09 PM) *
Electing a mayor would ensure more transparency and more accountability. Once again, any cost implications must lay at the door of Cllr Graham Jones, who with his party fudged the consultation on the leadership options. If the consultation had been open and honest, and the council went with Strong Leader, there would be no argument. The fact is they railroaded through what they wanted, reegardless of public opinion.

A Mayor leadership option would not favour any one political party. The reason for doing it is to improve democracy, and is something all political parties should be looking to achive regardless of what model is used.


I did Dannyboy, I've highlighted the text above. The cost of the mayoral election is a result of the council choosing to fudge the consultation. Had they consulted on the mayor option properly, it may have been ruled out anyway. If it had been adopted, the election would have taken place at the same time as the locals, meaning there would be little to no extra cost at all.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 05:24 PM) *
I did Dannyboy, I've highlighted the text above. The cost of the mayoral election is a result of the council choosing to fudge the consultation. Had they consulted on the mayor option properly, it may have been ruled out anyway. If it had been adopted, the election would have taken place at the same time as the locals, meaning there would be little to no extra cost at all.
Doesn't make much sense that as a consultation is different to a referendum.

How much will a referendum cost taxpayers is the real question.
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- Richard Garvie   Elected Mayor Petition   Jan 9 2011, 12:16 PM
- - dannyboy   What is the cost to the Taxpayer?   Jan 9 2011, 12:27 PM
- - Richard Garvie   I shouldn't believe it would cost much more if...   Jan 9 2011, 01:00 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 01:00...   Jan 9 2011, 01:08 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Yes, because the consultation was fudged and the l...   Jan 9 2011, 01:19 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 01:19...   Jan 9 2011, 01:59 PM
- - user23   No prizes for guessing who'll be the first to ...   Jan 9 2011, 02:23 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 02:23 PM) No ...   Jan 9 2011, 02:36 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 02:36...   Jan 9 2011, 03:07 PM
||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 03:07 PM) Eve...   Jan 9 2011, 03:11 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 02:36...   Jan 9 2011, 04:57 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jan 9 2011, 04:57 PM) Q...   Jan 9 2011, 04:58 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 04:58 PM) If ...   Jan 9 2011, 05:37 PM
- - dannyboy   The problem is all that would happen in West Berks...   Jan 9 2011, 02:42 PM
- - Richard Garvie   If there was a Conservative Mayor elected by West ...   Jan 9 2011, 02:53 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 02:53...   Jan 9 2011, 02:56 PM
|||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 05:26 PM) Doe...   Jan 9 2011, 05:32 PM
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|||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 05:51 PM) Wha...   Jan 9 2011, 06:02 PM
|||- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 06:02...   Jan 9 2011, 06:09 PM
||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 05:24...   Jan 9 2011, 05:27 PM
||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 9 2011, 05:27 PM) N...   Jan 9 2011, 05:33 PM
||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 05:33...   Jan 9 2011, 05:39 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:09...   Jan 9 2011, 07:07 PM
- - user23   It's fairly obvious what you're doing. You...   Jan 9 2011, 03:14 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 03:14 PM) It...   Jan 9 2011, 03:30 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:30...   Jan 9 2011, 03:32 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   Talking of changing the subject, you never answere...   Jan 9 2011, 03:52 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:52...   Jan 9 2011, 05:15 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Am I the leader of the party? If I was the leader ...   Jan 9 2011, 03:43 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:43...   Jan 9 2011, 03:44 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:43...   Jan 9 2011, 03:49 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:49...   Jan 9 2011, 03:52 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 03:52 PM) Rig...   Jan 9 2011, 03:55 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:55...   Jan 9 2011, 03:58 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Not at all. But as a candidate to the electorate, ...   Jan 9 2011, 04:04 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 04:04...   Jan 9 2011, 04:07 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Not at all. If the party aren't happy with wha...   Jan 9 2011, 04:09 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 04:09...   Jan 9 2011, 04:26 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 04:26 PM) Wha...   Jan 9 2011, 04:29 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 04:29...   Jan 9 2011, 04:42 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Depends where you are sitting. The Labour Party wi...   Jan 9 2011, 04:46 PM
- - Richard Garvie   First of all, you are just presuming that I would ...   Jan 9 2011, 05:46 PM
- - Richard Garvie   As you can see by the text you have quoted, I don...   Jan 9 2011, 06:21 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 06:21...   Jan 9 2011, 06:56 PM
- - Richard Garvie   The elected mayor option allows the possibility of...   Jan 9 2011, 07:25 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 07:25...   Jan 9 2011, 07:49 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Based on the population, it could cost around £25,...   Jan 9 2011, 08:12 PM
- - dannyboy   who can then appoint whoever he or she likes in th...   Jan 9 2011, 08:14 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 9 2011, 08:14 PM) ...   Jan 9 2011, 08:17 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 08:17...   Jan 9 2011, 08:22 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 08:17...   Jan 10 2011, 12:53 AM
|- - TallDarkAndHandsome   Chance of a referendum on Europe / Human Rights Ac...   Jan 10 2011, 10:06 AM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 10 2011, 10...   Jan 10 2011, 11:34 AM
||- - dannyboy   So the public have their say & we end up with ...   Jan 10 2011, 11:49 AM
|- - Squelchy   QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 10 2011, 10...   Jan 10 2011, 02:13 PM
|- - On the edge   How did the saying go, was it '..and represent...   Jan 10 2011, 03:05 PM
- - kellsbells   iS IT FAIR THAT SUPPOSEDLY APOLITICAL COUNCIL OFFI...   Jan 9 2011, 08:14 PM
- - NWNREADER   A lot af waffle has been spouted by politicians in...   Jan 9 2011, 09:07 PM
- - Iommi   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 9 2011, 09:07 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 10:51 AM
- - Richard Garvie   Not at all, you are missing the fact that the lead...   Jan 10 2011, 11:58 AM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 11:5...   Jan 10 2011, 12:01 PM
- - Richard Garvie   The cost of the mayor would be absorbed by additio...   Jan 10 2011, 12:33 PM
|- - dannyboy   So not really accountable then. Unless you are thi...   Jan 10 2011, 12:38 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 12:38 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 01:38 PM
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|- - On the edge   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 01:47 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 03:07 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 10 2011, 03:07 P...   Jan 10 2011, 03:09 PM
||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 03:09 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 03:23 PM
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||- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 04:01 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 04:11 PM
|||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 10 2011, 04:11 PM) Is ...   Jan 10 2011, 04:15 PM
||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 04:01 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 04:29 PM
|||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 04:2...   Jan 10 2011, 04:34 PM
||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Bartholomew @ Jan 9 2011, 03:54 PM...   Jan 10 2011, 04:33 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 10 2011, 03:07 P...   Jan 10 2011, 03:09 PM
- - Iommi   Like you though, I don't necessarily trust the...   Jan 10 2011, 04:20 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 10 2011, 04:20 PM) Lik...   Jan 10 2011, 04:31 PM
- - Richard Garvie   But it shouldn't be a job for the boys, and th...   Jan 10 2011, 04:38 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 04:3...   Jan 10 2011, 04:42 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Adopting a mayor in West Berkshire might actually ...   Jan 10 2011, 04:47 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 04:4...   Jan 10 2011, 04:51 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 04:51 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 04:56 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 04:5...   Jan 10 2011, 05:02 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 05:02 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 05:13 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 05:1...   Jan 10 2011, 05:22 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 05:22 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 05:28 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 05:2...   Jan 10 2011, 05:32 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 05:32 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 05:36 PM
- - Iommi   I think the only way democracy in politics would i...   Jan 10 2011, 04:49 PM
- - Darren   Why only 10% to "recall"? Surely, it ha...   Jan 10 2011, 05:27 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Darren @ Jan 10 2011, 05:27 PM) Wh...   Jan 10 2011, 05:32 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 05:3...   Jan 10 2011, 05:33 PM
||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 10 2011, 05:33 PM) ...   Jan 10 2011, 05:35 PM
|- - Darren   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 10 2011, 05:3...   Jan 10 2011, 05:40 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Darren @ Jan 10 2011, 05:40 PM) Bu...   Jan 10 2011, 06:00 PM
- - Iommi   Yes, would 10% represent ~25% of the local council...   Jan 10 2011, 06:03 PM
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