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Iommi
post Dec 24 2010, 01:15 AM
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I have heard rumours that there is or was a problem with the radio links between Newbury and Windsor.

On top of that, I was drawn to a comment on the news page.

"He added that while the shop was within range of a CCTV camera, he did not think it had been captured on tape. A West Berkshire Council spokesman, Phil Spray, said: “Obviously the cameras are moving all the time for monitoring purposes and so there is no guarantee that this incident has been captured. We will ask the police to review the tapes to see if any evidence of the damage has been recorded.”"


Are they having to 'move' to make up for a short-fall in the number we now have?
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Richard Garvie
post Dec 24 2010, 01:04 PM
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This needs to sorted and quickly.
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Dec 24 2010, 01:04 PM) *
This needs to sorted and quickly.
Yes, people need to stop posting silly rumours.

It's Christmas Eve not April Fools Day.
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 24 2010, 01:15 PM) *
Yes, people need to stop posting silly rumours.

It's Christmas Eve not April Fools Day.

Presumably you are in a position to refute the rumour?
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 24 2010, 01:17 PM) *
Presumably you are in a position to refute the rumour?
No more than you can substantiate what you've read as rumour on another chat board and posted on here. In almost all cases the burden of proof is on the person making the accusation.

It's a prime example of why you should never take local chat forums too seriously and they should never be used for proper political debate. Rumours are taken as fact until they are refuted, that and Garvie jumping on yet another bandwagon whilst still in the USA.
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 24 2010, 01:24 PM) *
No more than you can substantiate what you've read as rumour on another chat board and posted on here. In almost all cases the burden of proof is on the person making the accusation.

It's a prime example of why you should never take local chat forums too seriously and they should never be used for proper political debate. Rumours are taken as fact until they are refuted.

I qualified my posts with the words 'allegedly' and 'rumour', so I have no need to explain to you sir. I have heard a rumour and have reported as such. You are in no position, it seems, to refute the claims; that is good enough for me. Perhaps someone in authority might like to know these rumours are spreading whether this forum exists or not, so they might like to clarify the situation.

I can assure you these forums play a bigger role in local 'democracy' than you like to make out. BTW RG is back in West Berks, not that it makes any difference in this case.
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 24 2010, 01:28 PM) *
I qualified my posts with the words 'allegedly' and rumour, so I have no need to explain to you sir.
This is commonly called having ones bluff called I think.

Always best to check before copying the work of a wind up merchant on another forum. laugh.gif
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 24 2010, 01:32 PM) *
This is commonly called having ones bluff called I think. Always best to check before copying the work of a wind up merchant on another forum. laugh.gif

What are you talking about? I reported a rumour. That is all.
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 24 2010, 01:35 PM) *
What are you talking about? I reported a rumour. That is all.
Then you implied it must be true if no one on this chat board can refute it.

Quick question for you. Do you think public bodies, Newbury Town Council for example, should employ someone to spend all day refuting rumours on internet chat boards?
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post Dec 24 2010, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 24 2010, 01:43 PM) *
Then you implied it must be true if no one on this chat board can refute it.

No I didn't, that was your take. The point I make is that who are you to say that rumours shouldn't be listened to, or indeed posted.

QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 24 2010, 01:43 PM) *
Quick question for you. Do you think public bodies, Newbury Town Council for example, should employ someone to spend all day refuting rumours on internet chat boards?

I think the councils like the one you mention should ensure the best possible standards, and if they are not met, then they should act accordingly. It is incumbent on the population to take an interest in local affairs if they wish those standards to be met.

Most places have information officers of some kind; it wouldn't be a full time job to monitor what is posted here for that which is relevant to the council. Indeed, I suspect the juicier stories would be taken up by NWN and the council would be contacted in any case. So perhaps it wouldn't be necessary.

On the whole, I think public relations is one of the poorer aspects our governance.
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post Dec 24 2010, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 24 2010, 02:03 PM) *
Most places have information officers of some kind; it would be a full time job to monitor what is posted here.
You're seriously advocating the Town Council paying someone no doubt a five figure sum per year to someone to refute rumours on chat boards all day?

What about Thatcham Town Council, Hungerford, Tilehurst? How much would that all cost?

Absolutely barmy at any time and even more absurd given the current climate.
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post Dec 24 2010, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 24 2010, 02:07 PM) *
You're seriously advocating the Town Council paying someone no doubt a five figure sum per year to someone to refute rumours on chat boards all day? What about Thatcham Town Council, Hungerford, Tilehurst? How much would that all cost? Absolutely barmy at any time and even more absurd given the current climate.

If you go back to my post, you'll see that I have corrected my typos. Notwithstanding I've added to my point of view.
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- Iommi   Newbury's CCTV   Dec 24 2010, 01:15 AM
- - JeffG   I don't know how you read that rather ambiguou...   Dec 24 2010, 10:59 AM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 24 2010, 10:59 AM) I d...   Dec 24 2010, 11:14 AM
- - Iommi   I have heard rumours that Newbury's ANPR syste...   Dec 24 2010, 11:22 AM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 24 2010, 11:22 AM) I h...   Dec 24 2010, 01:54 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 24 2010, 01:54 PM)...   Dec 24 2010, 01:58 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 24 2010, 01:54 PM)...   Dec 24 2010, 02:02 PM
|- - Bartholomew   QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 24 2010, 01:35 PM) Wha...   Dec 24 2010, 01:41 PM
||- - Iommi   QUOTE (Bartholomew @ Dec 24 2010, 01:41 P...   Dec 24 2010, 01:42 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Can I just say User23, that the biggest concern fo...   Dec 24 2010, 02:03 PM
- - JeffG   From this article: QUOTE Mrs Powell added that the...   Dec 24 2010, 02:20 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 24 2010, 02:20 PM) Fro...   Dec 24 2010, 02:36 PM
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|- - blackdog   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 24 2010, 02:20 PM) Fro...   Dec 24 2010, 07:24 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 24 2010, 07:24 PM) ...   Dec 24 2010, 09:57 PM
- - Bofem   Come on people. CCTV is RUBBISH and doesn't wo...   Dec 25 2010, 09:19 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (Bofem @ Dec 25 2010, 09:19 PM) Com...   Dec 26 2010, 02:34 AM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Bofem @ Dec 25 2010, 09:19 PM) Com...   Dec 26 2010, 12:13 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 26 2010, 12:13 PM)...   Dec 26 2010, 12:51 PM
- - Bofem   CCTV can have a limited impact (Jamie Bulger case ...   Dec 27 2010, 01:40 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Bofem @ Dec 27 2010, 01:40 PM) CCT...   Dec 27 2010, 03:20 PM
- - Iommi   If there is such contention with regards the cost ...   Dec 27 2010, 03:34 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 27 2010, 03:34 PM) If ...   Dec 27 2010, 05:40 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 27 2010, 05:40 P...   Dec 27 2010, 05:46 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 27 2010, 05:46 PM) Err...   Dec 27 2010, 06:20 PM
- - Iommi   Right, gotcha. Yes, if they are worth it, we need...   Dec 27 2010, 06:27 PM
- - NWNREADER   Too much politics is about grand inputs, not outco...   Dec 27 2010, 06:41 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 27 2010, 06:41 PM)...   Dec 27 2010, 08:52 PM
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||- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Iommi @ Dec 28 2010, 11:04 AM) So ...   Dec 28 2010, 01:02 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 28 2010, 10:40 AM)...   Dec 28 2010, 11:18 AM
||- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 28 2010, 11:18 AM) Ho...   Dec 28 2010, 01:12 PM
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- - Iommi   I've heard it through the grapevine that there...   Dec 29 2010, 08:05 PM
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|- - Iommi   QUOTE (user23 @ Dec 29 2010, 08:10 PM) Wh...   Dec 29 2010, 08:27 PM
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|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Dec 31 2010, 01:4...   Jan 1 2011, 03:18 PM
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- - Richard Garvie   They asked me to find out. And find out I did, des...   Jan 1 2011, 07:13 PM
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- - Richard Garvie   I don't neccessarliy believe they should be ta...   Jan 1 2011, 07:51 PM
- - dannyboy   There is no gag - sound to me like staff ( who may...   Jan 1 2011, 07:58 PM
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