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Oct 29 2010, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 04:02 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) WBC pay Reading busses around £2m a year. The reason nobody uses it is because it's not fit for service. why?
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 04:06 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) why? Money is paid in subsidy. You just have to look at the service guide to see why it isn't fit for service. Service 11 is being withdrawn because it doesn't attract enough full fare customers according to one person, I thought the purpose of subsidising bus routes was to provide a service to those who can't / don't drive? A bus costs around £10k a year to lease - 30 busses and the staff to run them would cost less than the money we pay in subsidy at present IMO.
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 04:20 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Money is paid in subsidy. You just have to look at the service guide to see why it isn't fit for service. Service 11 is being withdrawn because it doesn't attract enough full fare customers according to one person, I thought the purpose of subsidising bus routes was to provide a service to those who can't / don't drive? A bus costs around £10k a year to lease - 30 busses and the staff to run them would cost less than the money we pay in subsidy at present IMO. A bus service is provided to make money for the company that operates it. £2million will be for the whole of West Berks. How many routes is that? How many buses, drivers, maintenance staff ? If there is a surplus here ( ie £2million is too much ) & cash is being wasted, why doesn't Labour offer to bring in bus operation into council control? Merely pointing the finger & saying that Labour would 'go to tender' isn't really going to improve the situation is it? In my experience, businesses normally continue to run something if they can make money doing it. If RB want to cancel a route, it stands to reason that they want to cancel it because they are not making money, even with a subsidy. Just because you subsidise something does not mean it will run regardless.
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 06:09 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) A bus service is provided to make money for the company that operates it.
£2million will be for the whole of West Berks. How many routes is that? How many buses, drivers, maintenance staff ? If there is a surplus here ( ie £2million is too much ) & cash is being wasted, why doesn't Labour offer to bring in bus operation into council control? Merely pointing the finger & saying that Labour would 'go to tender' isn't really going to improve the situation is it?
In my experience, businesses normally continue to run something if they can make money doing it. If RB want to cancel a route, it stands to reason that they want to cancel it because they are not making money, even with a subsidy. Just because you subsidise something does not mean it will run regardless. So, on the same reasoning, I assume you advocate postal deliveries only on profitable rounds?
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