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Ziggy
post Oct 27 2010, 07:33 AM
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article...articleID=14945

Now I have no particular qualifications or expertise in town planning, but is this not rather shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? Ever since I have lived in the area, new housing and retail developments have been given the go-ahead with seemingly no strategic thinking whatsoever about roads or other infrastructure.
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Richard Garvie
post Oct 29 2010, 05:50 PM
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Bus services that are subsidised are paid money to keep running at a loss because it connects communities to public services. User23, show me a direct link to the exact amount we give Reading busses and how that figure is broken down. They obviously don't have it because I've been told that I can't have that level of detail. It's somewhere between £2m and £2.5m from what I can see, but why do different financial documents not add up to the same figure?

As I said before, Labour would propose a revised network of services and put it out to all companies to bid for. The level of service I believe we require would require 26 busses, so I accounted for four additional busses as cover. Based on a £25k salary for drivers and engineers, if Stagecoach ran that level of service elsewhere the subsidy level would be around £1.5m from a local authority. *Go on any bus lease site and the figures for leasing 30 busses would be around £300k a year.

The point is here, that to date West Berks refuse to provide any detailed financial information with regards to bus services or anything else, as to why we apparently have four cost centres for policy and scrutiny teams to the tune of around £1m and such like. Why don't you post direct links User23 (if they exist). I believe if the level of detail was available, the council would have supplied it weeks ago.
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- Ziggy   We need a ring road   Oct 27 2010, 07:33 AM
- - Bloggo   QUOTE (Ziggy @ Oct 27 2010, 08:33 AM) htt...   Oct 27 2010, 07:45 AM
- - Iommi   I agree with both of you, but it ain't going t...   Oct 27 2010, 07:53 AM
- - dannyboy   Suggestions as to possible routes please. IMHO it ...   Oct 27 2010, 08:05 AM
- - dannyboy   The councillor is suggesting that we don't wan...   Oct 27 2010, 08:05 AM
- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 27 2010, 09:05 AM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 09:21 AM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 27 2010, 10:21 AM) If ...   Oct 27 2010, 09:27 AM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 27 2010, 10:27 AM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 11:27 AM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 27 2010, 12:27 PM) Why...   Oct 27 2010, 11:31 AM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 27 2010, 12:31 PM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 12:06 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 27 2010, 01:06 PM) Alt...   Oct 27 2010, 12:14 PM
|- - James_Trinder   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 27 2010, 01:14 PM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 12:20 PM
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|- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 27 2010, 01:14 PM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 01:32 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 27 2010, 02:32 PM) OK,...   Oct 27 2010, 01:35 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 27 2010, 02:35 PM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 01:38 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 27 2010, 02:38 PM) Huh...   Oct 27 2010, 01:42 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 27 2010, 02:42 PM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 01:55 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 27 2010, 02:55 PM) Exa...   Oct 27 2010, 01:59 PM
- - Bloggo   I think the problem is that Newbury was never ever...   Oct 27 2010, 09:53 AM
- - Bloggo   The only piece of new road that is going to be bui...   Oct 27 2010, 01:59 PM
- - Ben01635   Didn't we have a ring road built around Newbur...   Oct 27 2010, 03:38 PM
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||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 28 2010, 10:23 AM) Ye...   Oct 28 2010, 09:37 AM
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||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 28 2010, 11:02 AM) Bu...   Oct 28 2010, 10:15 AM
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||- - HJD   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 28 2010, 12:35 PM) AN...   Oct 28 2010, 03:45 PM
||- - blackdog   QUOTE (HJD @ Oct 28 2010, 04:45 PM) Impos...   Oct 28 2010, 09:53 PM
||- - Bofem   QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 28 2010, 10:53 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 11:27 AM
|||- - Bloggo   QUOTE (Bofem @ Oct 29 2010, 12:27 PM) For...   Oct 29 2010, 11:34 AM
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|- - Biker1   QUOTE (Ben01635 @ Oct 27 2010, 04:38 PM) ...   Oct 28 2010, 09:21 AM
- - Phil_D11102   You add more houses, you increase the traffic. Wh...   Oct 27 2010, 03:59 PM
- - GMR   QUOTE (Ziggy @ Oct 27 2010, 08:33 AM) htt...   Oct 27 2010, 04:29 PM
- - HJD   Well it's certainly a bit late if you try to l...   Oct 27 2010, 04:47 PM
- - spartacus   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 27 2010, 02:32 PM) If ...   Oct 27 2010, 06:44 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 27 2010, 07:44 PM)...   Oct 27 2010, 07:08 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 27 2010, 08:08 P...   Oct 28 2010, 09:01 AM
|- - Bloggo   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 28 2010, 10:0...   Oct 28 2010, 09:07 AM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 28 2010, 10:0...   Oct 28 2010, 06:46 PM
- - Richard Garvie   I've already said on another forum that with t...   Oct 28 2010, 08:56 AM
|- - Jayjay   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 28 2010, 09:5...   Oct 28 2010, 12:56 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Jayjay @ Oct 28 2010, 01:56 PM) Th...   Oct 28 2010, 03:20 PM
|- - Jayjay   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 28 2010, 04:2...   Oct 28 2010, 04:50 PM
- - Richard Garvie   I think we need a whole new thread on finances ;-)...   Oct 28 2010, 09:24 AM
- - HeatherW   I share peoples concerns. Newbury is ever-growing ...   Oct 28 2010, 07:22 PM
- - Iommi   Another way to look at it: would it be true to say...   Oct 28 2010, 10:30 PM
- - Biker1   So we just go on and on building more and more roa...   Oct 29 2010, 08:53 AM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 29 2010, 09:53 AM) So...   Oct 29 2010, 08:56 AM
- - Richard Garvie   The lack of infrastructure is down to years and ye...   Oct 29 2010, 02:49 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 03:4...   Oct 29 2010, 03:00 PM
|- - Bloggo   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 03:4...   Oct 29 2010, 03:04 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Bloggo @ Oct 29 2010, 04:04 PM) An...   Oct 29 2010, 03:13 PM
|- - Bloggo   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 04:1...   Oct 29 2010, 03:18 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Bloggo @ Oct 29 2010, 04:18 PM) Yo...   Oct 29 2010, 03:25 PM
|- - TallDarkAndHandsome   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 04:2...   Oct 29 2010, 03:31 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 04:1...   Oct 29 2010, 05:21 PM
- - Richard Garvie   WBC pay Reading busses around £2m a year. The reas...   Oct 29 2010, 03:02 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 04:0...   Oct 29 2010, 03:06 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 04:06 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 03:20 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 04:2...   Oct 29 2010, 05:09 PM
|- - Jayjay   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 06:09 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 09:29 PM
||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Jayjay @ Oct 29 2010, 10:29 PM) So...   Oct 31 2010, 11:10 AM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 06:09 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 10:19 PM
- - Richard Garvie   As long as you are happy then   Oct 29 2010, 03:47 PM
- - user23   Another thread seems to have been turned into an o...   Oct 29 2010, 05:57 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 29 2010, 06:57 PM) An...   Oct 29 2010, 06:01 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 07:01 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 06:06 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 29 2010, 07:06 PM) An...   Oct 29 2010, 06:14 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 07:14 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 06:18 PM
||- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 29 2010, 07:18 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 06:41 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 07:14 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 06:23 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 07:2...   Oct 29 2010, 06:29 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 29 2010, 07:29 PM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 06:43 PM
- - Richard Garvie   At present, there are less than 26 busses in opera...   Oct 29 2010, 06:17 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 07:1...   Oct 29 2010, 06:20 PM
- - On the edge   Newbury does seem to be taken for a ride by 'R...   Oct 29 2010, 07:28 PM
- - Richard Garvie   Check out some of the Urban Bus Challenge schemes,...   Oct 29 2010, 07:32 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 29 2010, 08:3...   Oct 29 2010, 08:00 PM
- - Iommi   We seem to have gone off the beaten track; what...   Oct 31 2010, 11:55 AM
|- - user23   QUOTE (Iommi @ Oct 31 2010, 11:55 AM) We ...   Oct 31 2010, 12:26 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 31 2010, 12:26 PM) Do...   Oct 31 2010, 02:17 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 31 2010, 12:26 PM) Do...   Oct 31 2010, 04:49 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 31 2010, 12:26 PM) Do...   Oct 31 2010, 05:28 PM
- - Simon Kirby   Anywho, the ring road. I'm disturbed this is...   Oct 31 2010, 07:02 PM
- - Richard Garvie   It's funny you say that Simon, because that is...   Oct 31 2010, 07:15 PM


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