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Oct 20 2010, 09:29 AM
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Yesterday the axe swung on the military. As one who took volunatry redunancy in the early 90's, I was lucky enough to find a job before I took off my uniform for the last time. The prospect of losing thousands of police, civil servants, it doesn't look good.
Cutting back on manpower whether it be in the civil service ranks, military, police, etc will just leave gaps and overwork those still in jobs. Standards will slip, which will just leave both the public and those who are to run these agencies disgruntled.
Earmarking education funding for poorer areas being paid for by those who are supposedly more affluent taxpayers is not equal, as the school curriculum should be the same across the UK. How about leveing a tax on those parents who kids don't attend schools or leave without at least C grade GCSE's in English, Math, Citizenship and Science. If you don't have a legitmate reason for obtaining those grades, then you were surely wasting taxpayer money. It then seems that these same people will be the ones on lower incomes and seeking to obtain benefits. Education is the key to success.
Now that tution fees are due to increase, what is next, paying for you children to attend pre university education?
Surely if the reason behind this is to reduce the budget defecit, then there has got to be other ways to do it. Get the banks to pay back what they owe sooner. Cut foreign aid by at least 2/3's and give only for humanitarian aid and those projects being run by allies who truly support democracy.
I am not a communist, socialist, anarchist, or even a lib dem. I am just a tax payer who wants in power those who seem to want to do the best job for EVERYBODY. Will the next winter of discontent come from the middle class?
I don't think making huge cuts in public services produces positive results. The UK is in crisis mode, and the saying is "Charity begins at home". Wasn't the third world debt was eliminated by the global powers in 2000? For a couple of years we need to close ranks and get our own house in order before we are on a footing to help others.
Again, stop sticking it to the taxpayers, and begin to look for alternative means to get the UK back on a solid footing.
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Oct 20 2010, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 20 2010, 10:30 AM) When Ed became leader of the Labour party, he made it clear he would not oppose every cut. What he did say was that cuts and reform must be fair. What seems to be happening in London is that a lot of these decisions have been rushed through, leaving some anomalies such as the child benefit. For whatever reason, the Tories have decided to cut deeper and faster than they proposed in the build up to the election. They say the IMF and the IFS have approved the CSR, but the IFS came out straight away calling this review "more regressive than progressive". Cameron points to Ireland as an example. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
The main point of difference is the speed of the reduction. Is it sensible to slash during an unstable economic period? Labour say it isn't, and if we go into recession again, it will prove that they were right. Sorry Richard, but that is claptrap. At this point another recession may be unavoidable no matter what action is taken. If something is destined to happen regardless of action, you can't take credit for proposing a course of action other than that taken. All parties in opposition do this, not just Labour, but it doesn't mean people with half a brain can't see such statements for what they are.
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Oct 20 2010, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Newbury Expat @ Oct 20 2010, 06:17 PM) Sorry Richard, but that is claptrap. At this point another recession may be unavoidable no matter what action is taken.
If something is destined to happen regardless of action, you can't take credit for proposing a course of action other than that taken. All parties in opposition do this, not just Labour, but it doesn't mean people with half a brain can't see such statements for what they are. See, if you actually looked at the data (rather than what Murdoch would have you believe), we had the strongest recovery in the first two quarters of this year. It was only after the emergency budget that confidence has once again been destroyed. Osborne said today it was a fair and progressive budget and that the Institute of Fiscal Studies were praising the CSR. Minutes after it was published, the IFS came out and said the CSR was "more regressive than progressive". Oh and it was nice to see Dickie Benyon waving his paper in the air and cheering too!!! DISCLAIMER Despite my suggestions that the Coalition may be risking the economy, I'm not saying Labour do not have part of the blame coming their way. It was a "Global" financial crisis as has been pointed out. The real difference between my personal view and that of the Coalition as to fix the mess is that Ireland ended up a lot worse by cutting to much too soon. Let's hope this decision today does not take us back into recession.
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Oct 20 2010, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 20 2010, 11:51 AM) See, if you actually looked at the data (rather than what Murdoch would have you believe), we had the strongest recovery in the first two quarters of this year. It was only after the emergency budget that confidence has once again been destroyed. Osborne said today it was a fair and progressive budget and that the Institute of Fiscal Studies were praising the CSR. Minutes after it was published, the IFS came out and said the CSR was "more regressive than progressive".
Oh and it was nice to see Dickie Benyon waving his paper in the air and cheering too!!!
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Despite my suggestions that the Coalition may be risking the economy, I'm not saying Labour do not have part of the blame coming their way. It was a "Global" financial crisis as has been pointed out. The real difference between my personal view and that of the Coalition as to fix the mess is that Ireland ended up a lot worse by cutting to much too soon. Let's hope this decision today does not take us back into recession. I am aware that the economy had improved earlier in the year, but when it comes to words like recovery and recession, my own preference is to take a longer term approach and I feel that with so many ongoing problems, that the first two quarters was more a dead cat bounce than an actual full on recovery. I hope to be proved wrong of course but if a recession is going to happen again, I don't think that the policy drawn up in the third/fourth quarters will be the cause (for balance neither will I think of it as the magic that avoided a recession should it be averted). Why the "Dickie" reference though? It seems unecessary and more than that comes over as petty. Or are we to call you "Dickie" Garvie from this point on?
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