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Aug 8 2018, 07:02 AM
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Why on earth should Boris Johnson apologise for what he said about the burka?
It covers the wearers face and so is displaying an arrogant rudeness to anyone the wearer needs to communicate with. There is no religious requirement at all to cover the face and in some cases, it's actually symbolic of repression. On top of this, at this time of heightened national security, it is difficult to identify wearers and, just like the full face hoodie, ought to be restricted.
Some seeking to integrate into our community, with cultures and practices very different to those here in the UK might find this disturbing. However, integration is a two way street and arguably, this is one of the existing communities 'lines in the sand'.
Stifling debate as the PM clearly seeks to do is foolhardy and likely to create even more discontent and tension in both communities than there is already.
For me, this continual denial of real debate on crucial matters of difference is far more damaging to democracy than 'fake' news.
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Aug 10 2018, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 10 2018, 09:35 AM) Thing is though, if you ban face coverings you will have to remove your motorcycle helmet to do all sorts of things. How about a scarf over your mouth when it's cold? Same deal. And that's why we can't ban face coverings. But we can make it unacceptable through persuasion and reasoned debates and discussions. Or just ban religion. Except it has nothing to do with religion rather it has to do with men holding medieval attitudes towards women.
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Aug 11 2018, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2018, 11:56 PM) Except it has nothing to do with religion rather it has to do with men holding medieval attitudes towards women. And there by lies the crux of the matter. Instead of disappearing up there own backsides in an effort to embrace multiculturalism the lefty lovies should be outraged that women in this country are being indoctrinated from an early age to adopt practices that are abhorrent to a civilised society. This is not simply about the questionable dress sense but the whole doctrine that requires females to be chattels of the male. Little doubt someone will wheel out a quote by an islamic female saying it is her choice, but I would put my pension on her childhood not being as enjoyable as most children's should be.
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Aug 11 2018, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 11 2018, 11:50 AM) And there by lies the crux of the matter. Instead of disappearing up there own backsides in an effort to embrace multiculturalism the lefty lovies should be outraged that women in this country are being indoctrinated from an early age to adopt practices that are abhorrent to a civilised society. This is not simply about the questionable dress sense but the whole doctrine that requires females to be chattels of the male. Little doubt someone will wheel out a quote by an islamic female saying it is her choice, but I would put my pension on her childhood not being as enjoyable as most children's should be. However my understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it. I appreciate that isn’t the case everywhere and I would be against anyone being forced to wear it. Have you evidence that this is the norm here?
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Aug 11 2018, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 11 2018, 07:20 PM) However my understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it. I appreciate that isn’t the case everywhere and I would be against anyone being forced to wear it. Have you evidence that this is the norm here? Where do you get your "My understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it."?
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Aug 12 2018, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 11 2018, 10:01 PM) Where do you get your "My understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it."? Where do you get your belief that they don’t? And as I said, I would be against anyone being forced to wear anything. I could point you to interviews of women not forced to wear a burqua but it’s just anecdotal. If I believed it was forced I would oppose it. For you lot it’s just another excuse to attack foreigners.
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Aug 12 2018, 07:08 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 12 2018, 06:26 AM) Where do you get your belief that they don’t? And as I said, I would be against anyone being forced to wear anything. I could point you to interviews of women not forced to wear a burqua but it’s just anecdotal. If I believed it was forced I would oppose it. For you lot it’s just another excuse to attack foreigners. Except that no one has mentioned foreigners! There is a body of evidence collected by Social Workers which backs up the abuse of females in these circumstances which has been supressed and hidden for quite some time because of wrong inclusivity direction. Didn't you realise that's what much of the fuss is about in Rotherham and such places? The choice isn't the one the genteel middle class adolescent girl usually has, 'should I wear this to stand out, or not? More, 'should I wear this, or just take the punishment (physiological or otherwise) instead?'. Ironically, even the religion in question does not demand these things are worn!
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Aug 12 2018, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 12 2018, 08:08 AM) Except that no one has mentioned foreigners!
There is a body of evidence collected by Social Workers which backs up the abuse of females in these circumstances which has been supressed and hidden for quite some time because of wrong inclusivity direction. Didn't you realise that's what much of the fuss is about in Rotherham and such places?
The choice isn't the one the genteel middle class adolescent girl usually has, 'should I wear this to stand out, or not? More, 'should I wear this, or just take the punishment (physiological or otherwise) instead?'.
Ironically, even the religion in question does not demand these things are worn! Perhaps we should learn to shut our mouths, for the good of diversity?
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Aug 13 2018, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 12 2018, 09:20 AM) Perhaps we should learn to shut our mouths, for the good of diversity? There’s been a huge problem among catholic priests but we don’t blame Catholicism though. That’s the difference.
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Aug 13 2018, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 13 2018, 10:15 AM) There’s been a huge problem among catholic priests but we don’t blame Catholicism though. That’s the difference. Well done; that's exactly the point. The sexual impropriety issue is a problem with Catholic Priests.......scout masters, disc jocks, school teachers, children's home wardens, TV stars, football coaches, step fathers, etc, etc, etc, etc. The issue with coerced wearing of facial covers and the co-erced wearing of predominantly in just what is clearly sect of one faith group. Took me long enough to see this but I'm old; you are supposed to be young and so understand facts. Glad you've got there though!
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