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Aug 8 2018, 07:02 AM
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Why on earth should Boris Johnson apologise for what he said about the burka?
It covers the wearers face and so is displaying an arrogant rudeness to anyone the wearer needs to communicate with. There is no religious requirement at all to cover the face and in some cases, it's actually symbolic of repression. On top of this, at this time of heightened national security, it is difficult to identify wearers and, just like the full face hoodie, ought to be restricted.
Some seeking to integrate into our community, with cultures and practices very different to those here in the UK might find this disturbing. However, integration is a two way street and arguably, this is one of the existing communities 'lines in the sand'.
Stifling debate as the PM clearly seeks to do is foolhardy and likely to create even more discontent and tension in both communities than there is already.
For me, this continual denial of real debate on crucial matters of difference is far more damaging to democracy than 'fake' news.
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Aug 8 2018, 07:28 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 8 2018, 08:02 AM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Why on earth should Boris Johnson apologise for what he said about the burka?
It covers the wearers face and so is displaying an arrogant rudeness to anyone the wearer needs to communicate with. There is no religious requirement at all to cover the face and in some cases, it's actually symbolic of repression. On top of this, at this time of heightened national security, it is difficult to identify wearers and, just like the full face hoodie, ought to be restricted.
Some seeking to integrate into our community, with cultures and practices very different to those here in the UK might find this disturbing. However, integration is a two way street and arguably, this is one of the existing communities 'lines in the sand'.
Stifling debate as the PM clearly seeks to do is foolhardy and likely to create even more discontent and tension in both communities than there is already.
For me, this continual denial of real debate on crucial matters of difference is far more damaging to democracy than 'fake' news. He was deliberately fanning the flames. He knew it would cause offence. If you can’t see it was designed to appeal to the knuckle draggers it can only mean you’re one of them.
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Aug 8 2018, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 8 2018, 08:28 AM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) He was deliberately fanning the flames. He knew it would cause offence. If you can’t see it was designed to appeal to the knuckle draggers it can only mean you’re one of them. You don't know that of course, and given that the remarks were in his usual style, it's doubtful that they were designed to cause offence, indeed quite the reverse. What I'm seeing more and more, talking to groups of people throughout the country is the bitter resentment being built up against the governing establishment's failure to address such issues head on. I've met those involved in the administration of justice, education in schools and colleges, as well as commercial management who are also very offended by women refusing to 'show their face' and use it as an example of myriad other failures to properly manage integration. It strikes me, that just like your response, ungrounded attempts to close any even sensible debate is as foolish as it is counter productive. It's sad that Johnson's attempt to lighten the issue is, as usual, misinterpreted. Can you imagine the fury if he'd used even plain language. I'm sorry, but I'd argue that your final paragraph says more about you than me. Intelligent debate isn't about trading insults.
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Aug 14 2018, 06:36 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Strafin QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 14 2018, 07:36 PM) las... Aug 15 2018, 09:09 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) x2lls QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 11 2018, 11:50 AM... Aug 11 2018, 08:55 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) x2lls QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2018, 11:56... Aug 11 2018, 09:04 PM On the edge The operative word is 'choose', some Musli... Aug 11 2018, 07:57 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 11 2018, 08:57 P... Aug 11 2018, 08:06 PM x2lls Hey Newres, check out the comments.
You will see t... Aug 11 2018, 09:42 PM SirWilliam This debate seems to concentrate round the freedom... Aug 12 2018, 08:36 AM x2lls ^^^^^ Previous two posts, very well said indeed. Aug 12 2018, 11:51 AM x2lls haha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13Yy3VY... Aug 12 2018, 08:16 PM x2lls From within.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/... Aug 13 2018, 06:05 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) je suis Charlie QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 13 2018, 07:05 PM) Fro... Aug 13 2018, 07:18 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) SirWilliam QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 13 2018, 07:05 PM) Fro... Aug 13 2018, 07:22 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) newres QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 13 2018, 07:05 PM) Fro... Aug 14 2018, 10:14 AM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) SirWilliam QUOTE (newres @ Aug 14 2018, 11:14 AM) I ... Aug 14 2018, 02:12 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) x2lls QUOTE (newres @ Aug 14 2018, 11:14 AM) I ... Aug 14 2018, 06:39 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) newres QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 14 2018, 07:39 PM) Nic... Aug 14 2018, 07:03 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (newres @ Aug 14 2018, 08:03 PM) It... Aug 15 2018, 05:31 AM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) newres QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 15 2018, 06... Aug 15 2018, 06:13 AM
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