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post Apr 6 2018, 07:45 PM
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Interesting and tragic case.

I fully sympathise with the home owner but has this not now set a precedent?

If you are being burgled violently do you have the right to protect you and your family by any means necessary?

Hopefully this makes burglars think twice. Though I doubt it as most have drug issues.
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post Apr 6 2018, 09:19 PM
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I’d say if you go into someone’s home armed, you can’t complain if you get hurt. Rough justice, but hey ho.
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post Apr 6 2018, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 6 2018, 10:19 PM) *
I’d say if you go into someone’s home armed, you can’t complain if you get hurt. Rough justice, but hey ho.

Do you think the lack of stop and search has emboldened the youth of London to more often than not be "tooled up" when they go out? I know racial profiling is a dreadful thing but what alternative is there? At the end of the day nearly all fatalities have been young and black. What do you suggest? I'm interested to hear the views of liberal minded people like yourself who would probably be anti stop and search. I know we have had cuts but London still has more police as a percentage of population than anywhere else in the UK.
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post Apr 7 2018, 04:49 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2018, 10:55 PM) *
Do you think the lack of stop and search has emboldened the youth of London to more often than not be "tooled up" when they go out? I know racial profiling is a dreadful thing but what alternative is there? At the end of the day nearly all fatalities have been young and black. What do you suggest? I'm interested to hear the views of liberal minded people like yourself who would probably be anti stop and search. I know we have had cuts but London still has more police as a percentage of population than anywhere else in the UK.

I don’t think stop and search was used fairly and hence why it was stopped. The average policeman is not very intelligent and used the power in a prejudicial way. However I don’t think that’s the “cause”. As an aside what happened to the police plan for graduate only entrance. The culture of the police really does need to change. They see themselves as deliverers of “justice” rather than upholding the law and seeking the truth.

Through all the abuse of Muslims recently I had thought that the greatest beneficiaries were the blacks as people stopped hating them for a while.

Back to your question though, the causes are the same causes affecting White deprived kids I think, but with the added problem of single mothers and young men that don’t stay around to be fathers. Add in drugs and turf wars. A single thing that could be done to help would be to legalise cannabis. This would end their income and stop much of the cause of the turf wars.

Short term, the solution to the problem is the same as many of our solutions - raise taxes, put more and better educated police on the street and reintroduce stop and search as well as focussed task forces on gang related violence and legalise cannabis. Unfortunately both raising taxes and legalising cannabis are taboo.
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